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Brian Johnson (L)

1. Mookie Betts (R) RF
2. Christian Vazquez (R) C
3. J.D. Martinez (R) LF
4. Rafael Devers (L) 3B
5. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS
6. Michael Chavis (R) 1B
7. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF
8. Eduardo Nunez (R) DH
9. Marco Hernandez (L) 2B

ORIOLES

John Means (L)

1. Hanser Alberto (R) 3B
2. Trey Mancini (R) RF
3. Pedro Severino (R) C
4. Renato Nunez (R) DH
5. Anthony Santander (S) LF
6. Jonathan Villar (S) 2B
7. Chris Davis (L) 1B
8. Keon Broxton (R) CF
9. Richie Martin (R) SS


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Will today be the day Cora says to Sox sorry for being stupid with Betts and pulling him from leading off?

Looks like Steven Wright will be our pitching patch, or one of several.  He's been throwing games for Pawsox this week.  His scheduled debut is June 25 against White Sox --- first available date after his banning.  Velazquez is throwing down at Lowell.

GOT to keep NUNEZ, SHARP ???? iono iono iono iono iono

Quote from: Murph on June 16, 2019, 09:42:49 AM
Will today be the day Cora says to Sox sorry for being stupid with Betts and pulling him from leading off?

I can just imagine what other managers think of Cora continuing his strange adventure while Mookie has dropped 22 points in BA. How can he justify leaving a guy hitting .168 since the move leading off?

Quote from: Bill-806 on June 16, 2019, 11:17:15 AM
GOT to keep NUNEZ, SHARP ???? iono iono iono iono iono

On the other hand, WHY would you take BENNI out of the lineup in CAMDAN YARDS ????? UNLESS there is a left hander going for the BIRDS ???? iono iono iono iono

Quote from: Murph on June 16, 2019, 11:18:46 AM

Quote from: Murph on June 16, 2019, 09:42:49 AM
Will today be the day Cora says to Sox sorry for being stupid with Betts and pulling him from leading off?

I can just imagine what other managers think of Cora continuing his strange adventure while Mookie has dropped 22 points in BA. How can he justify leaving a guy hitting .168 since the move leading off?

I don't think it is CORA at fault here  ??  PERHAPS, MOOKIE is feeling the WEIGHT of to much THINKING of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ?????

Beni has tightness in his quad.

Andrew Benintendi has been scratched from the Red Sox' lineup Sunday due to a sore left quad.
The Red Sox are calling Benintendi day-to-day. He had been slated to start in the designated hitter spot, but now Eduardo Nunez will be the DH and Marco Hernandez enters the lineup at second base.

Quote from: Murph on June 16, 2019, 09:42:49 AM
Will today be the day Cora says to Sox sorry for being stupid with Betts and pulling him from leading off?

Betts OPS by position in lineup:

1 - .898
2 - .878
3 - .820
4 - .862
5 - 9 - none or statistically insignificant

He's started about 70% of his games batting first and has a career BA of .299 and OPS of .882.  In the last 14 days his BA is .310 OPS is 1.071.

Where would you put him? 

Johnson is not inspiring confidence here.

A much needed DP. That helped.

Johnson gets out of the inning unscathed.

Quote from: Murph on June 16, 2019, 11:18:46 AM

Quote from: Murph on June 16, 2019, 09:42:49 AM
Will today be the day Cora says to Sox sorry for being stupid with Betts and pulling him from leading off?

I can just imagine what other managers think of Cora continuing his strange adventure while Mookie has dropped 22 points in BA. How can he justify leaving a guy hitting .168 since the move leading off?

All the genius people said putting Betts in the leadoff spot was the answer to his poor hitting. Apparently not! Who else is going to lead off? Beni can't do it. Only other choice is Holt I'd guess and whenever he gets extended playing time his production seems to drop off.

Quote from: longgame on June 16, 2019, 11:50:58 AM
Beni has tightness in his quad.

Andrew Benintendi has been scratched from the Red Sox' lineup Sunday due to a sore left quad.
The Red Sox are calling Benintendi day-to-day. He had been slated to start in the designated hitter spot, but now Eduardo Nunez will be the DH and Marco Hernandez enters the lineup at second base.

THANK YOU...…..  Another INJURY ??? iono iono iono iono

Quote from: longgame on June 16, 2019, 11:57:18 AM

Quote from: Murph on June 16, 2019, 09:42:49 AM
Will today be the day Cora says to Sox sorry for being stupid with Betts and pulling him from leading off?

Betts OPS by position in lineup:

1 - .898
2 - .878
3 - .820
4 - .862
5 - 9 - none or statistically insignificant

He's started about 70% of his games batting first and has a career BA of .299 and OPS of .882.  In the last 14 days his BA is .310 OPS is 1.071.

Where would you put him?

In the month of June, batting 1st he is batting .170   9-53 with an OBP of .333 and slugging .340.

Prior to Cora`s screwing with him, he was hitting .318 with an OBP OF .423   SLG .540  OPS  .943

Stats courtesy of Baseball-Reference .com

You are right about career stats. For the time being, he sucks at the leadoff spot. That's is what I am talking about.
Stats speak for itself for 2019. Why the hell did Cora bat him 2nd? He was looking for more production in RBIs.

Jackie still hot .2-1

Deep doo-doo here. Just need an out.

Out of it.

You can not play distracted unfocused sloppy baseball and expect to beat any team, including the hapless Orioles

Manager What me Worry said he wasn't going to chase wins!  But managing not to win is entirely okay with him.

Two chances to get Mookie home from third and they coldn't do it. Too busy swinging for the fences.

I don't get putting Lakins out there.  I guess there's a plan.

Quote from: markj on June 16, 2019, 03:59:37 PM
Two chances to get Mookie home from third and they coldn't do it. Too busy swinging for the fences.

Vazquez  and JDM both had horrible at bats. 

Rafi with a blast.  Bogie almost makes yet another baserunning gaffe

Gotta love playing the O's. They give you every chance to win. Right kindly of them.

Mookie drives in a couple. Sox up 6-3.

A gift hit for Mookie drives in 2.

Hopefully 5 runs is enough.

Even with a five run lead they play sloppy.

 Lead cut to 3

Oh boy. This is ugly. Now down to a 2 run lead.

The Red Sox sweep the Os.  BUT They did not impress in doing so.  The Os are on pace to lose over 110 games.  Watching this series didn't inspire me with confidence that Red Sox have righted the ship.   The last Os at bats typify what is wrong with Boston from awful relief pitching to a manager who seems to have lost his touch from a year ago.

Finally. Thought we were watching Carson Smith there for a bit.

Quote from: elktonnick on June 16, 2019, 04:51:44 PM
The Red Sox sweep the Os.  BUT They did not impress in doing so.  The Os are on pace to lose over 110 games.  Watching this series didn't inspire me with confidence that Red Sox have righted the ship.   The last Os at bats typify what is wrong with Boston from awful relief pitching to a manager who seems to have lost his touch from a year ago.

The last five wins are a good sign, but maybe a false flag.  A contender coming up tomorrow, and we're something like 6-15 against the Stros, Yanks and Rays.

I think the Os sweep can easily lure one into a false sense that the Team is playing better than it actual is.   Even in this win today I still didn't see the players relating to one another they way they did last year.

Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on June 16, 2019, 05:29:17 PM

Quote from: elktonnick on June 16, 2019, 04:51:44 PM
The Red Sox sweep the Os.  BUT They did not impress in doing so.  The Os are on pace to lose over 110 games.  Watching this series didn't inspire me with confidence that Red Sox have righted the ship.   The last Os at bats typify what is wrong with Boston from awful relief pitching to a manager who seems to have lost his touch from a year ago.

The last five wins are a good sign, but maybe a false flag.  A contender coming up tomorrow, and we're something like 6-15 against the Stros, Yanks and Rays.

I think Elk and you nailed it Sea Dog.  From my vantage point we needed this win to show we can go more than four games above 500, but what does it mean when it seems we still can't beat the better teams and struggle to sweep the poorer ones?  Glad we came back to win in extra innings on the road---the sign of a good team, BUT we did not play a good team and we still showed weaknesses with base running gaffs and overall sloppy play.  We get to take on Minnesota tomorrow for a big three game series and it now time to put up or shut up.  Either we can beat the good teams or we can't----and if we can't then we may have to lock up shop and start retooling.  It would be a good shot in tha arm for us if Rick Porcello could go out there and finally pitched a blow out game without giving up a ton of hits and just dominating for a change, and, if I may say so, Cora has to put the best team out in the field and decide to manage to win instead of appearing to manage not to lose.  Anyway I'm pleased we swept the series because I believed we had to do that, but still don't think we're our best baseball we're capable of playing.

As DAD would say, "SON, all's well that ends well"  !!   Not pretty, but we had to win as both the YANKS & RAYS WON !!!!  Good job BOYS, on to the  TWIN CITY !!! iono iono iono thumb_u

Quote from: Murph on June 16, 2019, 01:13:48 PM

Quote from: longgame on June 16, 2019, 11:57:18 AM

Quote from: Murph on June 16, 2019, 09:42:49 AM
Will today be the day Cora says to Sox sorry for being stupid with Betts and pulling him from leading off?

Betts OPS by position in lineup:

1 - .898
2 - .878
3 - .820
4 - .862
5 - 9 - none or statistically insignificant

He's started about 70% of his games batting first and has a career BA of .299 and OPS of .882.  In the last 14 days his BA is .310 OPS is 1.071.

Where would you put him?

In the month of June, batting 1st he is batting .170   9-53 with an OBP of .333 and slugging .340.

Prior to Cora`s screwing with him, he was hitting .318 with an OBP OF .423   SLG .540  OPS  .943

Stats courtesy of Baseball-Reference .com

You are right about career stats. For the time being, he sucks at the leadoff spot. That's is what I am talking about.
Stats speak for itself for 2019. Why the hell did Cora bat him 2nd? He was looking for more production in RBIs.

The stat I had was wrong on the 14 days.  It was from BB ref but I must have mis-interpreted what "last 14 days" meant.  But still he's been incredibly successful in the leadoff spot and, oh, by the way, he went 3-5 with a walk.  What an idiot manager putting a guy up first who got on 4 times. 

Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on June 16, 2019, 05:29:17 PM

Quote from: elktonnick on June 16, 2019, 04:51:44 PM
The Red Sox sweep the Os.  BUT They did not impress in doing so.  The Os are on pace to lose over 110 games.  Watching this series didn't inspire me with confidence that Red Sox have righted the ship.   The last Os at bats typify what is wrong with Boston from awful relief pitching to a manager who seems to have lost his touch from a year ago.

The last five wins are a good sign, but maybe a false flag.  A contender coming up tomorrow, and we're something like 6-15 against the Stros, Yanks and Rays.

10-14 against the winning teams including the Rangers.  Yankees are 8-6 and TB is 10-9.  So Sox have played 24 of those games, that means the Yankees have 10 more against winning teams than the Sox do. 

Never seen unhappier guys after winning 5 in a row.  I guess if they don't lose a game the rest of the way, a couple of you may actually get on board with these guys!

Quote from: longgame on June 17, 2019, 08:04:38 AM
Never seen unhappier guys after winning 5 in a row.  I guess if they don't lose a game the rest of the way, a couple of you may actually get on board with these guys!

RRRRR YES, the NATURE of being a RED SOX FAN since the EARLY 1950's !!!! The LOVE/HATE relationship with OUR TEAM !!! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Quote from: longgame on June 17, 2019, 08:04:38 AM
Never seen unhappier guys after winning 5 in a row.  I guess if they don't lose a game the rest of the way, a couple of you may actually get on board with these guys!

3 in a row against the Os who could have the worst team in their franchise history is hardly cause for bringing out the duckboats, considering how close they came to losing yesterday. Now if they can sweep the Twins that is another thing.

Quote from: longgame on June 17, 2019, 07:56:43 AM

Quote from: Murph on June 16, 2019, 01:13:48 PM

Quote from: longgame on June 16, 2019, 11:57:18 AM

Quote from: Murph on June 16, 2019, 09:42:49 AM
Will today be the day Cora says to Sox sorry for being stupid with Betts and pulling him from leading off?

Betts OPS by position in lineup:

1 - .898
2 - .878
3 - .820
4 - .862
5 - 9 - none or statistically insignificant

He's started about 70% of his games batting first and has a career BA of .299 and OPS of .882.  In the last 14 days his BA is .310 OPS is 1.071.

Where would you put him?

In the month of June, batting 1st he is batting .170   9-53 with an OBP of .333 and slugging .340.

Prior to Cora`s screwing with him, he was hitting .318 with an OBP OF .423   SLG .540  OPS  .943

Stats courtesy of Baseball-Reference .com

You are right about career stats. For the time being, he sucks at the leadoff spot. That's is what I am talking about.
Stats speak for itself for 2019. Why the hell did Cora bat him 2nd? He was looking for more production in RBIs.

The stat I had was wrong on the 14 days.  It was from BB ref but I must have mis-interpreted what "last 14 days" meant.  But still he's been incredibly successful in the leadoff spot and, oh, by the way, he went 3-5 with a walk.  What an idiot manager putting a guy up first who got on 4 times.

Whatever!The same idiot manager that kept him in for 14 days with 9 hits . The debate is over . As they say, have a good day.

Easy now guys!!!.  The good news is that we did sweep the Orioles and have won five in a row for the first time this season.  What takes a little shine off the gloss is that we almost lost the game yesterday and had to go overtime to win it, plus we played one of the worst teams in the game at the present time..  Still I'll take it, but we shouldn't go overboard with delight because we still haven't proved we can take on the top teams and beat them as we did so convincingly last season.  Let's all just take a good gander on this upcoming series with the Minnesota Twins, a team playing well and on the rise as one of the AL's premier teams.  We play them in their ballpark and have a challenge on our hands.  Win this series and we may have turned that corner we're been trying to go around all season.  That might tell us a lot.

Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 17, 2019, 12:28:55 PM
Easy now guys!!!.  The good news is that we did sweep the Orioles and have won five in a row for the first time this season.  What takes a little shine off the gloss is that we almost lost the game yesterday and had to go overtime to win it, plus we played one of the worst teams in the game at the present time..  Still I'll take it, but we shouldn't go overboard with delight because we still haven't proved we can take on the top teams and beat them as we did so convincingly last season.  Let's all just take a good gander on this upcoming series with the Minnesota Twins, a team playing well and on the rise as one of the AL's premier teams.  We play them in their ballpark and have a challenge on our hands.  Win this series and we may have turned that corner we're been trying to go around all season.  That might tell us a lot.

I can't argue with the fact that they need to show up for these games against better teams.  I just think we all need to remember it's a long season.

Quote from: longgame on June 17, 2019, 01:02:18 PM

Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 17, 2019, 12:28:55 PM
Easy now guys!!!.  The good news is that we did sweep the Orioles and have won five in a row for the first time this season.  What takes a little shine off the gloss is that we almost lost the game yesterday and had to go overtime to win it, plus we played one of the worst teams in the game at the present time..  Still I'll take it, but we shouldn't go overboard with delight because we still haven't proved we can take on the top teams and beat them as we did so convincingly last season.  Let's all just take a good gander on this upcoming series with the Minnesota Twins, a team playing well and on the rise as one of the AL's premier teams.  We play them in their ballpark and have a challenge on our hands.  Win this series and we may have turned that corner we're been trying to go around all season.  That might tell us a lot.

I can't argue with the fact that they need to show up for these games against better teams.  I just think we all need to remember it's a long season.

It is a long season but people instant gratification. I remember last season in late August or early September the Sox lost 2 games in a row. One by double digits. All I saw on here was the team had no leadership. It was collapsing. Counting those 2 losses the Sox went 8-2 in a 10 game span. People complained about every decision made as if someone associated with the Sox was reading the board and gave a crap about what was being said. They weren't and they don't! Anyone who expected the Sox to repeat last year must live in a fantasy world. Everything went right last year. Come from behind wins. Lucky breaks. People say they only swept the O's. Were you saying that last year? When the Sox can put 5 starters out there on a continuous basis then we can see what they have. Right now they are staying in the race despite some pitching problems and some guys not hitting like last year. If those things straighten out I think things will improve quite a bit.

Quote from: Schloicka on June 17, 2019, 02:12:46 PM

Quote from: longgame on June 17, 2019, 01:02:18 PM

Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 17, 2019, 12:28:55 PM
Easy now guys!!!.  The good news is that we did sweep the Orioles and have won five in a row for the first time this season.  What takes a little shine off the gloss is that we almost lost the game yesterday and had to go overtime to win it, plus we played one of the worst teams in the game at the present time..  Still I'll take it, but we shouldn't go overboard with delight because we still haven't proved we can take on the top teams and beat them as we did so convincingly last season.  Let's all just take a good gander on this upcoming series with the Minnesota Twins, a team playing well and on the rise as one of the AL's premier teams.  We play them in their ballpark and have a challenge on our hands.  Win this series and we may have turned that corner we're been trying to go around all season.  That might tell us a lot.

I can't argue with the fact that they need to show up for these games against better teams.  I just think we all need to remember it's a long season.

It is a long season but people instant gratification. I remember last season in late August or early September the Sox lost 2 games in a row. One by double digits. All I saw on here was the team had no leadership. It was collapsing. Counting those 2 losses the Sox went 8-2 in a 10 game span. People complained about every decision made as if someone associated with the Sox was reading the board and gave a crap about what was being said. They weren't and they don't! Anyone who expected the Sox to repeat last year must live in a fantasy world. Everything went right last year. Come from behind wins. Lucky breaks. People say they only swept the O's. Were you saying that last year? When the Sox can put 5 starters out there on a continuous basis then we can see what they have. Right now they are staying in the race despite some pitching problems and some guys not hitting like last year. If those things straighten out I think things will improve quite a bit.

We all want that George and if what you said comes to pass I think we would all tend to agree with you said.  We still have three and a half months to go and anything can still happen, but what worries a lot of us is that two and a half months have elapsed and we are still not firing on all cylinders.  Besides, the Yankees have had a lot more injuries than we have and look where they are. I think this Minnesota series would be a good place to start playing more mistake free baseball---starting tonight.