BLUE JAYS V RED SOX
TUESDAY, JULY 18, 20 17, 7 PM AT FENWAY PARK
TV: NESN, SNET
TORONTO, (43-49).............................................................................................BOSTON,(52-42)
TORONTO:
J.A. HAPP, LHP, 3- 6, 3.54 ERA, 6 0K
Happ has posted five straight quality starts before struggling against the Astros,
who knocked in six runs (two earned) off him in four innings. Still, since June 11, he
has just a 2.27 ERA. Happ has a 2.89 ERA against Boston since 2012.
BOSTON:
BRIAN JOHNSON, LHP, 2-0, 4.29 ERA, 17K
The lefty will take the hill for the fifth time after being called from Triple-A for the
spot start. Johnson shutout the M's on May 27, but struggled in his June starts. He
gave up three earned runs and didn't reach the fifth in those starts.
Lefties Happ, Johnson match up at Fenway
Evan Chronis
Brian Johnson will make his fifth spot start of the season for the Red Sox as they continue their four-game series with J.A. Happ and the Blue Jays at Fenway Park on Tuesday night.
Red Sox manager John Farrell said on Monday the decision to recall Johnson was easy considering that it was his turn for Triple-A Pawtucket on Tuesday.
"He's the one guy where this is his normal fifth day [Tuesday]," Farrell said. "The fact that he pitched last Thursday rather than being 10-14 days down since his previous start, as other guys would have been, it lines right up with Brian's work."
Johnson (2-0, 4.29 ERA) has been a valuable replacement arm, but has yet to recreate the magic of his shutout against the Mariners on May 27. The lefty gave up three earned runs in both of his June starts, unable to pitch deep in either outing.
In 10 starts at Pawtucket, Johnson is 3-1 with a 2.68 ERA.
Happ (3-6, 3.54 ERA) will take the mound for the Blue Jays, looking to rebound from a rough outing before the All-Star break. The lefty gave up six runs (two earned) over four innings in a 19-1 loss to the Astros. The performance may have put a dour note on Happ's first half, but before that outing, he had five straight quality starts.
Happ has also been the subject of trade rumors as the July 31 non-waiver Trade Deadline approaches, but Blue Jays manager John Gibbons sees the lefty staying in Toronto.
"It's good to find starting pitching," Gibbons said. "Everyone is always looking for it. I don't get involved in who might end up where. I don't know what's going to happen, but I think he would be a tough guy to trade. I'm sure teams would want him, that's not what I meant. But for your own well-being. His last outing wasn't very good, but other than that, he has four or five real good ones."
Hitting .379 against left-handers, Sam Travis will likely start at first base for Boston.
THREE THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME
• Johnson's first start of the season came against the Blue Jays on April 18. He earned the first win of his career after pitching five innings in an 8-7 Red Sox victory.
• The Blue Jays produce an all right-handed lineup when facing left-handed starters. Even with that platoon advantage, Toronto hits .240 against lefties, while hitting .243 when going against right-handed pitchers.
• As he's done so often this year, Red Sox right fielder Mookie Betts crushed a mistake from Masahiro Tanaka on Sunday, pulling his hanging slider up and out over the Green Monster for a 104.3-mph, two-run homer. Betts typically belts pitches left in the three middle zones, as classified by Statcast (middle-in, middle-middle and middle-outside), hitting them with exit velocities of 95-plus mph (the baseline for "hard-hit" contact) 48.5 percent of the time. That's the 10th-highest hard-hit rate of any hitter who's put at least 100 "middle" pitches in play.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/20170717242669716/lefties-happ-johnson-match-up-at-fenway/?game_pk=491506
Red Sox vs. TOR:
Betts RF,
Benintendi LF,
Pedroia 2B,
Ramirez 1B,
Young DH,
Bogaerts SS,
Bradley Jr. CF,
Leon C,
Marrero 3B,
Johnson LHP
The SHIP continues to flounder in poor timing, decisions, and execution of the game on both offense & defense.... CHANGES are needed & needed soooon !! :losers iono slap rofl
Is Johnson being showcased? I always wonder about that this time of year in situations like this.
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on July 18, 2017, 11:28:50 AM
Is Johnson being showcased? I always wonder about that this time of year in situations like this.
You just watch.....Farrell's pet Young will be in the lineup and Benny once again yanked out of it and on the bench. Great way to treat your young and upcoming player by trying to evaporate his confidence. Most likely we'll see Hanley back in there with Travis playing half the game and then yanked out when a RH pitcher comes in. Oh yes, Pukegaerts will be back in the lineup and most likely hitting third again. For God's sake Dumbrowski why do you allow this shit to happen and just sit there with your finger up your ass. Farrell is going to ruin this team with personnel moves that defy description. Please if this continues and it will. PULL THE GOD DAMN PLUG ON THIS GUY BEFORE THE ANOTHER SEASON IS LOST.
You won't see Travis as he and Scotty sent to AAA.
Johnson and Velasquez recalled.
Happ can't wait to rebound with our Noffense. It'll be like a AAA rehab stint for him. It's gotten so ugly with this team. And if Johnson coughs up 5+ runs it won't matter in the long run. Our pitching has been on a great roll.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 18, 2017, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on July 18, 2017, 11:28:50 AM
Is Johnson being showcased? I always wonder about that this time of year in situations like this.
You just watch.....Farrell's pet Young will be in the lineup and Benny once again yanked out of it and on the bench. Great way to treat your young and upcoming player by trying to evaporate his confidence. Most likely we'll see Hanley back in there with Travis playing half the game and then yanked out when a RH pitcher comes in. Oh yes, Pukegaerts will be back in the lineup and most likely hitting third again. For God's sake Dumbrowski why do you allow this shit to happen and just sit there with your finger up your ass. Farrell is going to ruin this team with personnel moves that defy description. Please if this continues and it will. PULL THE GOD DAMN PLUG ON THIS GUY BEFORE THE ANOTHER SEASON IS LOST.
See, now that's where you and I have to disagree on DD. His finger is not up his own back side. It's up someone elses. Watch the look in his face and tell me I'm wrong. double-dog dare ya! :D rofl
Johnson is 4-0 and 4.29 as a starter this year. He is close to his usual stuff he can keep you in the game. The problem then goes to the offense - good luck! Looks like we will get BJ and Hector tonight. Johnson is solid we can kiss Fister goodbye.
Quote from: Bear on July 18, 2017, 03:30:41 AM
Red Sox vs. TOR:
Betts RF,
Benintendi LF,
Pedroia 2B,
Ramirez 1B,
Young DH,
Bogaerts SS,
Bradley Jr. CF,
Leon C,
Marrero 3B,
Johnson LHP
Why is Hanley and Young in the lineup and not Travis???? Well the answer might not be that bad......Sam was sent down so he could play regularly which he was not getting here because of that son of a bitch managing the team. As for Young, who hasn't hit worth a shit in almost two months, needs to start hitting more than just into double plays. And Bogaerts may be hit ting lower in the lineup but he should be either hit ting lower or out of the lineup.....better out of it.
I just saw somewhere that XB is a scratch?
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 18, 2017, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: Bear on July 18, 2017, 03:30:41 AM
Red Sox vs. TOR:
Betts RF,
Benintendi LF,
Pedroia 2B,
Ramirez 1B,
Young DH,
Bogaerts SS,
Bradley Jr. CF,
Leon C,
Marrero 3B,
Johnson LHP
Why is Hanley and Young in the lineup and not Travis???? Well the answer might not be that bad......Sam was sent down so he could play regularly which he was not getting here because of that son of a bitch managing the team. As for Young, who hasn't hit worth a shit in almost two months, needs to start hitting more than just into double plays. And Bogaerts may be hit ting lower in the lineup but he should be either hit ting lower or out of the lineup.....better out of it.
HALEY at 1st base ???? Really ??? What about the shoulder ???? Hope that Pedy can back him up a lot !!
There is a disconnect somewhere on the JF - Hanley situation. Nothing seems to add up. I aint buying it. There is something we do not know. He has not even gotten big-eyed and tried to whallop a pitch resulting in falling down IIRC.
Bogaerts will be going for MRI on hand. They just waited two weeks....that's our medical group.
Quote from: Bear on July 18, 2017, 05:37:17 PM
Bogaerts will be going for MRI on hand. They just waited two weeks....that's our medical group.
B I N G O dat...... He took a pretty good hit on that wrist, a week or so later being checked again ??? iono rofl
This is all Farrell. It is the manager's responsibility to pick up on things like that. Bogaerts also takes some of the blame. It was quite noticeable that he wasn't driving the ball and he was rolling over on the ball too often.
I think it's interesting how XB gets dropped to 6th and all of a sudden can't play. I am not doubting the injury at all - just imagining a little hissy-fit.
Somewhere in a clubhouse in Boston during a rain delay is a free-for-all fight like in that Major League movie.
;D ;D
Quote from: elktonnick on July 18, 2017, 06:33:26 PM
This is all Farrell. It is the manager's responsibility to pick up on things like that. Bogaerts also takes some of the blame. It was quite noticeable that he wasn't driving the ball and he was rolling over on the ball too often.
If it's anyone's fault I blame the player first of all and the hitting coach second since the hitting coach works with these guys more than anyone. If Xman felt his hand wasn't 100% then he needs to say so. He's had 2 weeks plus time off to get it looked at again but apparently didn't do it. I put the blame on the Xman.
Offense not doing much again.
Rumors are Frazier, Robertson and CWS Setup man to Yanks. If true, this is basically a move to strengthen their pen and keep the Sox from acquiring Frazier.
Where's Jed Lowrie's number? Also, maybe Moustakas could be available.
Rosenthal said Frazier to Sox with Robertson but with Devers going to CWS. That would make no sense at all and would be a terrible deal. Then he tweets he's going to the Yankees for prospects a half hour later.
Update, the Sox tweet was a fake tweet. He tweeted he was going for prospects including Chavis 2 hours ago.
Quote from: longgame on July 18, 2017, 08:16:43 PM
Offense not doing much again.
Rumors are Frazier, Robertson and CWS Setup man to Yanks. If true, this is basically a move to strengthen their pen and keep the Sox from acquiring Frazier.
Where's Jed Lowrie's number? Also, maybe Moustakas could be available.
That would strengthen the Yanks a lot as I believe Frazier would be put at 1st base which he has played before. Robertson would help their pen tremendously.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 18, 2017, 08:13:07 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 18, 2017, 06:33:26 PM
This is all Farrell. It is the manager's responsibility to pick up on things like that. Bogaerts also takes some of the blame. It was quite noticeable that he wasn't driving the ball and he was rolling over on the ball too often.
If it's anyone's fault I blame the player first of all and the hitting coach second since the hitting coach works with these guys more than anyone. If Xman felt his hand wasn't 100% then he needs to say so. He's had 2 weeks plus time off to get it looked at again but apparently didn't do it. I put the blame on the Xman.
Farrell is the manager. It is ultimately his responsibility not the coach. Farrell can not hide on this one.
This game is going south. The 1st place team is heading for its second straight loss to the last place team.
What a pathetic half-inning for the Sox. What was that, maybe 6-8 pitches and they're done? :losers slap
These guys are rolling over on so many balls I am actually by comparison happy when somebody flies out. How can so many guys look so bad at the plate?
Quote from: elktonnick on July 18, 2017, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: Schloicka on July 18, 2017, 08:13:07 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 18, 2017, 06:33:26 PM
This is all Farrell. It is the manager's responsibility to pick up on things like that. Bogaerts also takes some of the blame. It was quite noticeable that he wasn't driving the ball and he was rolling over on the ball too often.
If it's anyone's fault I blame the player first of all and the hitting coach second since the hitting coach works with these guys more than anyone. If Xman felt his hand wasn't 100% then he needs to say so. He's had 2 weeks plus time off to get it looked at again but apparently didn't do it. I put the blame on the Xman.
Farrell is the manager. It is ultimately his responsibility not the coach. Farrell can not hide on this one.
Farrell doesn't have to hide from anything. It's the players responsibility to decide if he can play or not. If the player thinks something is wrong then the player needs to speak up and seek medical attention. Nobody is going to baby sit them.
I said X man had some responsibility as well. However the manager makes out the lineup. It was quite obvious that X man wasn't himself. The manager sits him down just like when a pitcher is out of gas. That's the manager's job to baby sit these guys. I have sent plenty of people home who were too sick to work. It is no difference from any job site.
Pedey goes deep. No one on base, of course. Sox pull to within one run.
Finally a Red Sox actually drove the ball.
XB's MRI could be due diligence.
Price could have been auditioning for role elsewhere.
I said before that Johnson could be on showcase, or quick look to make sure we are comfy with him going forward.
We're a little deep in the unproven part of the pen with good arms, especially in AAA.
I'm not saying anything with those guys is gonna happen, but everything that happens this time of year makes me wonder. DD and JH were both hunkered over a monitor or something an inning or so ago. 13 days and counting....
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on July 18, 2017, 09:31:33 PM
XB's MRI could be due diligence.
Price could have been auditioning for role elsewhere.
I said before that Johnson could be on showcase, or quick look to make sure we are comfy with him going forward.
We're a little deep in the unproven part of the pen with good arms, especially in AAA.
I'm not saying anything with those guys is gonna happen, but everything that happens this time of year makes me wonder. DD and JH were both hunkered over a monitor or something an inning or so ago. 13 days and counting....
I think some kind of trade happens before next week. No need to let it drag out. If they want a 3rd baseman (or anyone for that matter) go out and get it done. They must know who they want by now and who they can get.
Barnes gets into and out of a jam. Thanks mostly to a heads-up play by Pedroia.
Let's see if they can pull this one out. Pedey is doing most of the work on both sides of the field.
Nice throw by Leon.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 18, 2017, 10:16:27 PM
Nice throw by Leon.
It was. But then they roll over and die when they come up to bat. They should not be having such a hard time beating the Jays.
Pedey pulls a GIDP. Argh. This team cannot string together hits. These damn GIDPs are killing them.
Sac fly brings in a run. The sorry excuse for a Sox offense will never get 2 runs back. Game is over now.
Well, they tied it up to drag this game out even longer, but Xman was put in to pinch run for Leon and screwed that up. He was out by a mile.
This team is pathetic. No sense wasting sleep time on them. I'm going to bed.
Sox retired Jay's side...coming in for the kill.
Moreland up; strikes out as usual.
Bradley reaches first base,
Vasquez strikes out....oh hmmmmm
Marrero, strikes out. John Henry not pleased.
Sox down, and I'm going down.
rofl, what a team....
Hanley wins it with a HR.
I should be happy....oh wait, 16 innings is a bit much to take in.
Sox win in the 15th on a Hanley big blast. Hector Velazquez (2-1) with the win. 4 innings pitched. Go Sox.
Well, gee, it took 'em long enough to put it away with a long ball. sigh
Frazier, a third baseman,goes to the yankees in a seven-man trade.
We could have used this guy; maybe we didn't have the pieces they wanted;
maybe Dombrowski wouldn't part with our young players. thumb_u
Quote from: Bear on July 19, 2017, 02:33:19 AM
Frazier, a third baseman,goes to the yankees in a seven-man trade.
We could have used this guy; maybe we didn't have the pieces they wanted;
maybe Dombrowski wouldn't part with our young players. thumb_u
This reeks of a block move by the Yankees---especially once Robertson became part of the deal.
DD's got his work cut out for him now. But there's no avoiding reality here---this team needs a big bat if it's going to think about competing down the stretch.
This was a shortsighted move by the Yankees to prevent Boston from getting Frazier. I think they may regret it in the long-term.
Johnson and Hector did quite well. Good job by both.
NY has retooled their bullpen - beat Boston out on that so far.
I like the Dbacks move to get JDMartinez from the Tigers. Batting .305 with 18 hr's. But we don't need another outfielder.
WOW, what a day at the ball paaaak ..... As DAD would say, "SON, another 15 inning game, a WIN & then the YANK$ pull a BLOCKBUSTER" !!! As the dust settles today, we will see if D D has anything up his sleeve !! iono rofl
I shut it down after the 9th. No way was I going to sit through another.
They won. How about that. thumb_u
Quote from: elktonnick on July 19, 2017, 05:05:51 AM
This was a shortsighted move by the Yankees to prevent Boston from getting Frazier. I think they may regret it in the long-term.
They did this deal to pick up two good arms. Threw in a prospect or two, take Frazier and the deal is done. Sox didn't want to give up much, but maybe should have tried to make this deal happen sooner.
I almost made it to the end. I think i fell asleep in the 14th. What was driving me crazy, and I didn't see the Ramirez HR, but the Sox were facing that guy Bolinger who basically had two pitches - a hanging curve ball, and a ball. It was obvious to let him throw a hanger over the plate and sit on it, but these guys are flailing away at balls all over the place and get frozen by the hanging curve. JBJ, Holt and Benintendi will swing at any ball that doesn't make it to the catcher but will leave stuff that's right in the heart of the plate.
Sox need to make a move. They can't keep hoping to win extra inning games, burning up the pen.
Game ball goes to Velazquez.Excellent job to step up and get the job done
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 19, 2017, 11:06:53 AM
Game ball goes to Velazquez.Excellent job to step up and get the job done
Game Ball ?? That's football !!! RRR heck, give them all a trophy !!! rofl
Quote from: longgame on July 18, 2017, 08:16:43 PM
Offense not doing much again.
Rumors are Frazier, Robertson and CWS Setup man to Yanks. If true, this is basically a move to strengthen their pen and keep the Sox from acquiring Frazier.
Where's Jed Lowrie's number? Also, maybe Moustakas could be available.
Well I have egg all over my face today and it's a wonder my friends on this board haven't reamed my ass good and proper. I railed about Young being in the lineup---he hit a home run. I said maybe Hanley ought to sit since he had been struggling......he hits a walk off homer. I have been very angry at Bogaerts and come to fine out that his hand has been killing him. Well as Schloik said, it was his responsibility to let Farrell know this since Farrell is out to lunch most of the time anyway. So thanks guys for not getting all over me for my miserably wrong take before last night's game.
Quote from: elktonnick on July 18, 2017, 08:48:33 PM
These guys are rolling over on so many balls I am actually by comparison happy when somebody flies out. How can so many guys look so bad at the plate?
Well Elk, get your ass over to Fenway or call them up since you live in the area and try to talk to someone. It is possible that when someone watches someone every day he doesn't see changes in a batter's comportment as someone who sees it only on occasions. Something is terribly wrong with our hitters, that's a certainty.
It is three hours later out here but I was sleeping before I woke up to take my night stroll to the bathroom and happened to look up ans see that we won the game on Hanley's dinger. Sure, I was pleased and happy but this team has taken its toll on me and it has on the rest of you. We either must reverse course quickly or find ourselves embedded in that tank. DD must get us some help because we need it, and it Bogaerts' hand is really troubling him we may need someone with a little sock to play some SS. Holt? Possibly but it would be good if Marrero remember how to hit as he did for a few games two weeks ago----and better if we could get someone like Jed Lowrie, who knows Boston, knows how to play here, and knows how to hit when it countr.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 18, 2017, 09:46:35 PM
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on July 18, 2017, 09:31:33 PM
XB's MRI could be due diligence.
Price could have been auditioning for role elsewhere.
I said before that Johnson could be on showcase, or quick look to make sure we are comfy with him going forward.
We're a little deep in the unproven part of the pen with good arms, especially in AAA.
I'm not saying anything with those guys is gonna happen, but everything that happens this time of year makes me wonder. DD and JH were both hunkered over a monitor or something an inning or so ago. 13 days and counting....
I liked your idea----LOWRIE. He can hit from both sides of the plate, play third, short and second, if not elsewhere as well. That's the guy we should after because he could not only help us now but for the rest of the season and perhaps into next season since is so versatile----and his record is that he hits when it counts. I remember some of his big hits for us very well.
I think some kind of trade happens before next week. No need to let it drag out. If they want a 3rd baseman (or anyone for that matter) go out and get it done. They must know who they want by now and who they can get.
Quote from: Bear on July 19, 2017, 02:33:19 AM
Frazier, a third baseman,goes to the yankees in a seven-man trade.
We could have used this guy; maybe we didn't have the pieces they wanted;
maybe Dombrowski wouldn't part with our young players. thumb_u
And maybe he had better have something up his sleeve-----like Jed Lowrie
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 19, 2017, 01:52:43 PM
Quote from: longgame on July 18, 2017, 08:16:43 PM
Offense not doing much again.
Rumors are Frazier, Robertson and CWS Setup man to Yanks. If true, this is basically a move to strengthen their pen and keep the Sox from acquiring Frazier.
Where's Jed Lowrie's number? Also, maybe Moustakas could be available.
Well I have egg all over my face today and it's a wonder my friends on this board haven't reamed my ass good and proper. I railed about Young being in the lineup---he hit a home run. I said maybe Hanley ought to sit since he had been struggling......he hits a walk off homer. I have been very angry at Bogaerts and come to fine out that his hand has been killing him. Well as Schloik said, it was his responsibility to let Farrell know this since Farrell is out to lunch most of the time anyway. So thanks guys for not getting all over me for my miserably wrong take before last night's game.
Don't sweat it, dude! One game doesn't make for a trend. :)