YANKEES V RED SOX
FRIDAY, JULY 14, 2017, 7 PM AT FENWAY PARK
TV: NESN, MLBN, (OUT-OF-MARKET ONLY), YES
NEW YORK, ( 45-41).................................................................................BOSTON, (50-39)
NEW YORK:
JORDAN MONTGOMERY, LHP, 604, 3.55 ERA, 87K
Montgomery opens the second half for the Yankees after largely
impressing in his first career Major League action. The rookie is 6-4
with a 3.65 ERA through sixteen starts--but this will be his time pitching
against the archrival Red Sox.
BOSTON:
DREW POMERANZ, LHP, 9-4, 3.60 ERA, 98K
The lefty brings momentum into the second half. Pomeranz is 3-0 with a
1.82 era in his last five starts. Pomeranz is 2-1 with a 2.40 era in six career
appearances against the Yankees.
Yanks, Red Sox start 2nd half with 4-game set
Ian Browne
There is no easing back from the All-Star break for the participants of baseball's most storied rivalry.
The American League East-leading Red Sox host the second-place Yankees for four games in three days beginning on Friday night at Fenway Park, which will surely be rocking from all corners.
"You get into the second half, particularly when you're in the division, and there may be some added weight that goes to wins and losses as remaining games as the number of remaining games continue to dwindle," Red Sox manager John Farrell said.
"I like the way we set up coming out of the break, the way our pitchers are throwing. It's always a great series when we go up against New York. We're going up against a couple of pitchers in there that are throwing the ball well. We've just got to come out and continue to play good baseball."
For the Yankees, this is the start of an 11-game road trip that starts East (Boston), continues Central (Minnesota) and finishes West (Seattle).
"It's a really significant trip for us because we have to start playing better," Yankees manager Joe Girardi said. "It's an important road trip, but it's not the-end-of-the-world road trip. We still have 60 or so games left after that road trip, but it's important."
New York, led by breakout rookie Aaron Judge, spent much of the first half leading the AL East. But the Red Sox have held the top spot in the division since June 30.
"Every series is crucial, but especially playing the Red Sox," Judge said. "They're in first place right now, so it's going to be big for us."
"Even a month ago, you look at what a strong one or two weeks is going to do with the standings -- it can turn them upside-down," Farrell said. "We've made up quite a bit of ground in the last three weeks. No one is overlooking anyone. No one is overestimating their place today. More importantly, we've just got to continue to work and stay focused on the task at hand and that's what we've got to do today."
The series gives the Yankees an immediate chance to close the gap against a team they've played some of their best baseball against this season. The Bombers have had an upper hand in the rivalry so far, taking four of the first five games.
Judge brings 30 homers with him to Fenway, an amazing feat for half of a season.
"Obviously he has the size and power," said Red Sox setup man Joe Kelly, who struck Judge out on a 102.2-mph fastball on June 6. "He's a big human being, you can tell from facing him last year to facing him to this year, he put a lot of work into the offseason of trying to minimize moving parts. When you're that big, there's so many fine movements. He did a great job of trying to simplify it. He knows he's a strong guy."
The Fenway faithful should get its first look at another of the Baby Bombers, as Clint Frazier was called up on July 1, and hit a walk-off homer at Yankee Stadium on July 8. The Red Sox are also led by several homegrown stars, including Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts and veteran leader Dustin Pedroia.
Drew Pomeranz draws the assignment for the Red Sox in Friday night's opener. Ace Chris Sale takes the ball on Saturday.
Rick Porcello and David Price get the assignments in Sunday's day-night doubleheader. The Yankees have yet to reveal their rotation plans for after the break.
THREE THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME
• The Yankees expect to get Matt Holliday back for this series. The veteran had been sidelined with a viral infection. Second baseman Starlin Castro could return at some point at Fenway as well. He had a right hamstring strain.
• One thing that surely endears Pomeranz to Red Sox fans is his track record of success against the Yankees. In six career appearances against the Yankees (five starts), Pomeranz is 2-1 with a 2.40 ERA. Pomeranz has pitched well against everyone lately, going 3-0 with a 1.82 ERA in his last five starts.
• Judge is slashing .333/.478/.556 against the Red Sox this season with a homer. Red Sox center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. has had a tough time against the Yankees so far this season, going 1-for-16.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/20170709241320010/yanks-red-sox-start-2nd-half-with-4-game-set/?game_pk=491441
RED SOX (50-39)
Mookie Betts, RF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
Xander Bogaerts, SS
Hanley Ramirez, DH
Chris Young, LF
Jackie Bradley Jr., CF
Sam Travis, 1B
Christian Vázquez, C
Deven Marrero, 3B
Drew Pomeranz, LHP (9-4, 3.60 ERA)
YANKEES (45-41)
Brett Gardner, LF
Gary Sanchez, C
Aaron Judge, RF
Matt Holliday, DH
Didi Gregorius, SS
Garrett Cooper, 1B
Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Chase Headley, 3B
Ronald Torreyes, 2B
Jordan Montgomery, LHP (6-4, 3.65 ERA)
http://nesn.com/2017/07/red-sox-vs-yankees-lineup-chris-young-sam-travis-start-first-game-of-second-half/
A great series to start the 2nd half !!! Our R S All Stars showed well last night !!! Go SOX, lets get HOT right out of the gate !! thumb_u rofl
Let's start off on a good roll. Seize on the reeling Yankees and stay in the driver's seat.
Quote from: ipot on July 12, 2017, 02:39:46 PM
Let's start off on a good roll. Seize on the reeling Yankees and stay in the driver's seat.
3 of 4 would be great but minimum 2-2 is a must IMO. I rarely use the must word before September but this is the Yankees we are talking about. Sitting up by 2 on the Yanks and 4 on the Rays who scare me far more than the Yanks.I would think Judge will come down to earth a bit but I am really impressed by the 25-year-old who appears to have it all in his swing.
Maybe I'm blind, but who in that big write up is pitching for NY?
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 12, 2017, 05:21:48 PM
Maybe I'm blind, but who in that big write up is pitching for NY?
Girardi can say what he wants but this series is just as important to his team as it is to the Red Sox. I don't know how his players stack up in the courage and guts department, but I have moaned loudly all season about our lack of leadership, lack of courage and my questioning the team's heart guts and balls. I'm tired of demanding that our guys step up because they haven't heard me or anyone else shouting the same thing. I just hope that this time they find the courage and guts to go out there and take it hard to the Yanks. We need a big series win, though I wish Sale was starting Game 1 for us.
OK, it is Thursday... Lets get to Friday and get the 2nd half underway !!! thumb_u rofl
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 12, 2017, 05:21:48 PM
Maybe I'm blind, but who in that big write up is pitching for NY?
They still haven't said. Listed as TBD as of this AM on MLB.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 12, 2017, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: ipot on July 12, 2017, 02:39:46 PM
Let's start off on a good roll. Seize on the reeling Yankees and stay in the driver's seat.
3 of 4 would be great but minimum 2-2 is a must IMO. I rarely use the must word before September but this is the Yankees we are talking about. Sitting up by 2 on the Yanks and 4 on the Rays who scare me far more than the Yanks.I would think Judge will come down to earth a bit but I am really impressed by the 25-year-old who appears to have it all in his swing.
Definitely need to win at least 2, but being at home they need to win 3. The Yankees are a couple of good young players, some hit or miss pitching and Chapman. The key to the Sox is getting ahead early and staying there. They won't win a lot of games when they score 1 or 2.
Quote from: longgame on July 13, 2017, 08:08:51 AM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 12, 2017, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: ipot on July 12, 2017, 02:39:46 PM
Let's start off on a good roll. Seize on the reeling Yankees and stay in the driver's seat.
3 of 4 would be great but minimum 2-2 is a must IMO. I rarely use the must word before September but this is the Yankees we are talking about. Sitting up by 2 on the Yanks and 4 on the Rays who scare me far more than the Yanks.I would think Judge will come down to earth a bit but I am really impressed by the 25-year-old who appears to have it all in his swing.
Definitely need to win at least 2, but being at home they need to win 3. The Yankees are a couple of good young players, some hit or miss pitching and Chapman. The key to the Sox is getting ahead early and staying there. They won't win a lot of games when they score 1 or 2.
Wel since Farrell is stubborn enough to pitch that shit Fister in one of the games you can write that contest off and put it in the "L" column. Since that game is lost we will most likely win two if all goes well. If we lose three of the four or get swept we ought to become sellers at the TD because our team will have proven to be the gutless, leaderless, rudderless pack of bums I have always suspected them to be. This is a big test of the Red Sox and for Farrell. Fister must NOT start one of those games......Rodriguez should start since he has a record of success against the Yankees while Fister has loser written all over his worthless face.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 13, 2017, 09:33:33 AM
Quote from: longgame on July 13, 2017, 08:08:51 AM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 12, 2017, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: ipot on July 12, 2017, 02:39:46 PM
Let's start off on a good roll. Seize on the reeling Yankees and stay in the driver's seat.
3 of 4 would be great but minimum 2-2 is a must IMO. I rarely use the must word before September but this is the Yankees we are talking about. Sitting up by 2 on the Yanks and 4 on the Rays who scare me far more than the Yanks.I would think Judge will come down to earth a bit but I am really impressed by the 25-year-old who appears to have it all in his swing.
Definitely need to win at least 2, but being at home they need to win 3. The Yankees are a couple of good young players, some hit or miss pitching and Chapman. The key to the Sox is getting ahead early and staying there. They won't win a lot of games when they score 1 or 2.
Wel since Farrell is stubborn enough to pitch that shit Fister in one of the games you can write that contest off and put it in the "L" column. Since that game is lost we will most likely win two if all goes well. If we lose three of the four or get swept we ought to become sellers at the TD because our team will have proven to be the gutless, leaderless, rudderless pack of bums I have always suspected them to be. This is a big test of the Red Sox and for Farrell. Fister must NOT start one of those games......Rodriguez should start since he has a record of success against the Yankees while Fister has loser written all over his worthless face.
Fister isn't even listed as a possible starter for the Yankee series. You have Pomerantz, Sale. Porcello & Price lined up for the series with E-Rod expected to start the first game of the following series. If Fister starts it will only be because someone else can't go. Fister will probably start the 2nd game of the 2nd series since the Sox will need an extra starter because of the double header against the Yankees on Sunday.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 13, 2017, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 13, 2017, 09:33:33 AM
Quote from: longgame on July 13, 2017, 08:08:51 AM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 12, 2017, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: ipot on July 12, 2017, 02:39:46 PM
Let's start off on a good roll. Seize on the reeling Yankees and stay in the driver's seat.
3 of 4 would be great but minimum 2-2 is a must IMO. I rarely use the must word before September but this is the Yankees we are talking about. Sitting up by 2 on the Yanks and 4 on the Rays who scare me far more than the Yanks.I would think Judge will come down to earth a bit but I am really impressed by the 25-year-old who appears to have it all in his swing.
Definitely need to win at least 2, but being at home they need to win 3. The Yankees are a couple of good young players, some hit or miss pitching and Chapman. The key to the Sox is getting ahead early and staying there. They won't win a lot of games when they score 1 or 2.
Wel since Farrell is stubborn enough to pitch that shit Fister in one of the games you can write that contest off and put it in the "L" column. Since that game is lost we will most likely win two if all goes well. If we lose three of the four or get swept we ought to become sellers at the TD because our team will have proven to be the gutless, leaderless, rudderless pack of bums I have always suspected them to be. This is a big test of the Red Sox and for Farrell. Fister must NOT start one of those games......Rodriguez should start since he has a record of success against the Yankees while Fister has loser written all over his worthless face.
Fister isn't even listed as a possible starter for the Yankee series. You have Pomerantz, Sale. Porcello & Price lined up for the series with E-Rod expected to start the first game of the following series. If Fister starts it will only be because someone else can't go. Fister will probably start the 2nd game of the 2nd series since the Sox will need an extra starter because of the double header against the Yankees on Sunday.
I would like to see Fisters sinker ball in the B P as long as his arm can handel the work !!! thumb_u thumb_u
Plus didn't he pitch out of the pen in the TB series? I think he's an emergency guy, but they will have to get 6 starters in 5 days and no days off for two weeks.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 13, 2017, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 13, 2017, 09:33:33 AM
Quote from: longgame on July 13, 2017, 08:08:51 AM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 12, 2017, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: ipot on July 12, 2017, 02:39:46 PM
Let's start off on a good roll. Seize on the reeling Yankees and stay in the driver's seat.
3 of 4 would be great but minimum 2-2 is a must IMO. I rarely use the must word before September but this is the Yankees we are talking about. Sitting up by 2 on the Yanks and 4 on the Rays who scare me far more than the Yanks.I would think Judge will come down to earth a bit but I am really impressed by the 25-year-old who appears to have it all in his swing.
Definitely need to win at least 2, but being at home they need to win 3. The Yankees are a couple of good young players, some hit or miss pitching and Chapman. The key to the Sox is getting ahead early and staying there. They won't win a lot of games when they score 1 or 2.
Wel since Farrell is stubborn enough to pitch that shit Fister in one of the games you can write that contest off and put it in the "L" column. Since that game is lost we will most likely win two if all goes well. If we lose three of the four or get swept we ought to become sellers at the TD because our team will have proven to be the gutless, leaderless, rudderless pack of bums I have always suspected them to be. This is a big test of the Red Sox and for Farrell. Fister must NOT start one of those games......Rodriguez should start since he has a record of success against the Yankees while Fister has loser written all over his worthless face.
Fister isn't even listed as a possible starter for the Yankee series. You have Pomerantz, Sale. Porcello & Price lined up for the series with E-Rod expected to start the first game of the following series. If Fister starts it will only be because someone else can't go. Fister will probably start the 2nd game of the 2nd series since the Sox will need an extra starter because of the double header against the Yankees on Sunday.
That's a good piece of news to hear. I read somewhere that Fister was scheduled to start one of the games of th double-header on Sunday. Well, as I said that is good news.....if it is not fake news because it gives us a decent chance to make some hay in this series if the team can go out and play the the kind of good baseball most of us expect of them. Four at home against the Yanks is not an automatic nod for us but we should have some advantage if we can take it to our best level.
Will be at the game to see the Monsters in pinstripes. These guys are BIG!
It's Friday , roll out the BASEBALLS !!! PLAY BALL, go RED SOX , make us proud !!! thumb_u thumb_u rofl
Between Pineda and Tanaka they have given up 43 BOMBS in 198 innings.Maybe the Sox could increase that total with a few of their own HRs.
This could be a sloppy 4 game series.Sox have committed 54 Es while the Yanks have blundered 52 Es .The Royals lead MLB with a low 34 Es.
PANDA, "As DAD would say, "SON, like minutes through the hour glass, so are the remaining days of PANDA" !!!
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 14, 2017, 08:34:21 AM
Between Pineda and Tanaka they have given up 43 BOMBS in 198 innings.Maybe the Sox could increase that total with a few of their own HRs.
I'm more worried about the Yankees' home run hitters. It seems like they all have a ton of them.
Girardi must be looking for a new pitcher; none has been posted yet.
Let's hope we play better the second half. And yes I realize we're in first
place.......for now.
PANDA is GONE, D F A !! 45MIL to follow !! thumb_u rofl
Michael Pineda has a torn UCL; Tommy John surgery recommended
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 14, 2017, 11:40:03 AM
Michael Pineda has a torn UCL; Tommy John surgery recommended
And he was going to be an FA. That just sucks!
Quote from: Bill-806 on July 14, 2017, 11:09:42 AM
PANDA is GONE, D F A !! 45MIL to follow !! thumb_u rofl
Is this true????? IS THIS TRUE?????? If so I can say gladly I'm thrilled that I was wrong. More thrilled than you can imagine. It puts one recurring problem out to oblivion once and for all. We might ask the Giants who are out of the running this year if they would like Pablo back if they would assume a little of that contract. It might be worth something to them since they are playing for nothing the second half of this season. I just hope this is true and Bill is not playing one of his practical jokes on me. If he's on the level it goes to show that there are times you can jump for joy when you are wrong.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 14, 2017, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: Bill-806 on July 14, 2017, 11:09:42 AM
PANDA is GONE, D F A !! 45MIL to follow !! thumb_u rofl
Is this true????? IS THIS TRUE?????? If so I can say gladly I'm thrilled that I was wrong. More thrilled than you can imagine. It puts one recurring problem out to oblivion once and for all. We might ask the Giants who are out of the running this year if they would like Pablo back if they would assume a little of that contract. It might be worth something to them since they are playing for nothing the second half of this season. I just hope this is true and Bill is not playing one of his practical jokes on me. If he's on the level it goes to show that there are times you can jump for joy when you are wrong.
I figured you would enjoy that
HUGE DISH OF CROW you will have for supper tonight.
I don't know much about the SFG general manager Bobby Evans but one would assume he is not stupid enough to eat more than say even 5 m. If Henry can get someone to eat 10 m he is a world class genius.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 14, 2017, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: Bill-806 on July 14, 2017, 11:09:42 AM
PANDA is GONE, D F A !! 45MIL to follow !! thumb_u rofl
Is this true????? IS THIS TRUE?????? If so I can say gladly I'm thrilled that I was wrong. More thrilled than you can imagine. It puts one recurring problem out to oblivion once and for all. We might ask the Giants who are out of the running this year if they would like Pablo back if they would assume a little of that contract. It might be worth something to them since they are playing for nothing the second half of this season. I just hope this is true and Bill is not playing one of his practical jokes on me. If he's on the level it goes to show that there are times you can jump for joy when you are wrong.
I figured you would enjoy that HUGE DISH OF CROW you will have for supper tonight.
I don't know much about the SFG general manager Bobby Evans but one would assume he is not stupid enough to eat more than say even 5 m. If Henry can get someone to eat 10 m he is a world class genius.
Just a bit of a side note, if my DAD was still a live, I am sure he would SAY, "SON, I have never seen a baseball player break his BELT on a SWING" !!! thumb_u rofl slap
Walking in street behind the wall and almost got konked by a BP ball.
LOBsters already.
Two pathetic swings by HR on two fast balls and the he hits a weak come backer. HR looked awful.
Our 3-5 hitters picking up where they left off before the break. Hanley had 2 great pitches to hit and missed them big time.
I see Jacoby isn't done for the season as I'd heard. Glad he's ok.
Well that was an impressive AB by Travis. Not.
JBJ needs to go before Vaz pulls a GIDP.
Lucky.
And more LOBsters.
Hanley woke up for an at bat.
I said to my wife that HR had to make up for that awful first AB he did.!!
Betts costing himself a lot of RBI lately. Popping the ball up a lot. Xman his usual crap with guys on base. Should have 6-7 runs by now. If they lose this it will have happened in the first 4 innings.
These guys are having the Yankees practically giving them the game and they can't take advantage. X man looks crappy recently. His Batting Average is dropping like a rock. He is looking really bad in clutch situations.
It's very simple. There is absolutely zero chance that we compete with a middle of the line-up that includes Chris Young every 2-3-4 days. It cannot happen. There is NO CHANCE. He might pop a few more homer runs by the end of the year, but that is a #7 man at best. AT BEST. He is a good bench player. No chance. None. Zippo. He is supporting cast.
The ONLY chance we have at winning the AL flag is if we decide on and then put our best chance of a good middle lineup into place and leave then the bleep alone. That's the only way this has a chance. It's simple. Option-A = little chance. Option-B = no chance. Whoever it is supposed to be, leave them in there and help them work through it the best they can.
Folks, we talking about a line up that is now platooning 2 of the 4 middle line up spots. NOBODY wins doing this. Ever.
It is NOT even remotely correct to match young out there in the 5-hole. That part-time insistence of R-L-R is over-managing at this point. Other options might be bad options, but Chris Young is never, ever going to be part of that answer. Not the 5-hole. Desperate times might dictate the 6 hole. But not 5th.
And don't get me started about our 2nd best RBI man pulling splinters out of his ass tonight.
So discouraging to watch them follow the tried and true formula of leaving men on base while the Yankees drive their own men in. The Sox can't get to a guy who only lasts 4 innings. Let's see if they can do something in the last couple of innings.
Hard liner off the wall by HR.Homer in any other MLB park.
More LOBsters. Looking like Legal Seafood.
Outstanding 2 innings of clutch relief pitching by Barnes.
Sox need to win these types of games at home.
This team has flaws that need fixing.
Two on, no outs. Need to tie it up here at least.
Great double steal
YESSSSS!!!!!
There we go. Yankees hand them another gift.
Benintendi needs to come through here.
Bases loaded, no outs. No excuses to not win this.
Great win!!!
YESSS Again!!!!!
Yankees literally hand the game to the Sox.
As I posted earlier neither team great on defense.
Yes, the Yanks did give the game away to the Sox.
Great to get the win, but this should not inspire false confidence. Upgrades are needed at 3B, pen, and we'll see about the starting rotation ...
Yes the Yankees gave to game to the sox by errors and poor starting pitching. The Sox had a chance to make this a laugher early and didn't do it. That being said but Farrell's double steal call in the 9th was brilliant! I don't say this often but great call by Farrell that move was the play of the game for me.
Sox hav e given many away also.In a long season it evens out in the end.Luck wins games and talent wins games.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 14, 2017, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: Bill-806 on July 14, 2017, 11:09:42 AM
PANDA is GONE, D F A !! 45MIL to follow !! thumb_u rofl
Is this true????? IS THIS TRUE?????? If so I can say gladly I'm thrilled that I was wrong. More thrilled than you can imagine. It puts one recurring problem out to oblivion once and for all. We might ask the Giants who are out of the running this year if they would like Pablo back if they would assume a little of that contract. It might be worth something to them since they are playing for nothing the second half of this season. I just hope this is true and Bill is not playing one of his practical jokes on me. If he's on the level it goes to show that there are times you can jump for joy when you are wrong.
I figured you would enjoy that HUGE DISH OF CROW you will have for supper tonight.
I don't know much about the SFG general manager Bobby Evans but one would assume he is not stupid enough to eat more than say even 5 m. If Henry can get someone to eat 10 m he is a world class genius.
The crow tasted delicious and I saved some to celebrate our great come-from-behind win in the ninth to win the game tonight. Crazy as you probably know I am I almost lost it when Benintendi walked to force in that winning run. Man I yelled, screamed, and almost jumped through my roof. What a win!!!! What a win!!!!! Can we now go on to show that we have what it takes to take control of our destiny? Wow!!!!!!!!!
Sox pitching overall was good again tonight. Pomerantz did ok. Barnes was great. Scott got the win. Need the offense to hit better with guys in scoring position. A win is a win no matter how you get it. On to Saturday. Let's go Chris Sale.
Quote from: elktonnick on July 14, 2017, 08:02:38 PM
These guys are having the Yankees practically giving them the game and they can't take advantage. X man looks crappy recently. His Batting Average is dropping like a rock. He is looking really bad in clutch situations.
You and Schloik have seen what I've been seeing for most of Bogey's career with us. He just has trouble hitting in the clutch. I don't know why unless he is the choker I have accused of being. Fortunately for me I didn't tune in until the seventh inning since I was doing other things that kept me from watching the game, but I recorded it and will watch it in a few minutes. But what a comeback. We finally got some breaks that we took advantage of. Still, we need Mookie moved to third and Bogaerts down the lineup where his weakness in clutch hitting does not sink the team.
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on July 14, 2017, 08:44:02 PM
It's very simple. There is absolutely zero chance that we compete with a middle of the line-up that includes Chris Young every 2-3-4 days. It cannot happen. There is NO CHANCE. He might pop a few more homer runs by the end of the year, but that is a #7 man at best. AT BEST. He is a good bench player. No chance. None. Zippo. He is supporting cast.
The ONLY chance we have at winning the AL flag is if we decide on and then put our best chance of a good middle lineup into place and leave then the bleep alone. That's the only way this has a chance. It's simple. Option-A = little chance. Option-B = no chance. Whoever it is supposed to be, leave them in there and help them work through it the best they can.
Folks, we talking about a line up that is now platooning 2 of the 4 middle line up spots. NOBODY wins doing this. Ever.
It is NOT even remotely correct to match young out there in the 5-hole. That part-time insistence of R-L-R is over-managing at this point. Other options might be bad options, but Chris Young is never, ever going to be part of that answer. Not the 5-hole. Desperate times might dictate the 6 hole. But not 5th.
And don't get me started about our 2nd best RBI man pulling splinters out of his ass tonight.
Benintendi was rated the No. 1 prospect in baseball before the season. He has no business being platooned. Farrell is a moron as a manager, of that I am convinced. What he is doing with that platooning is criminal. He needs to stop that and, as you said go with his best nine players. Young is a journeyman who did well for the Yanks his first year and not so hot the second. He needs to be a reserve and nothing more. I'm totally with you on that my friend.
Quote from: markj on July 14, 2017, 09:38:14 PM
Yankees literally hand the game to the Sox.
And I'l take it.
Quote from: elktonnick on July 14, 2017, 09:42:50 PM
Yes the Yankees gave to game to the sox by errors and poor starting pitching. The Sox had a chance to make this a laugher early and didn't do it. That being said but Farrell's double steal call in the 9th was brilliant! I don't say this often but great call by Farrell that move was the play of the game for me.
Gutty move. We must give Farrell credit for that, but his platooning is horseshit in my book. Still we have to be happy to have come from behind to win. Beating the Yankees always should make our day.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 14, 2017, 09:52:31 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 14, 2017, 08:02:38 PM
These guys are having the Yankees practically giving them the game and they can't take advantage. X man looks crappy recently. His Batting Average is dropping like a rock. He is looking really bad in clutch situations.
You and Schloik have seen what I've been seeing for most of Bogey's career with us. He just has trouble hitting in the clutch. I don't know why unless he is the choker I have accused of being. Fortunately for me I didn't tune in until the seventh inning since I was doing other things that kept me from watching the game, but I recorded it and will watch it in a few minutes. But what a comeback. We finally got some breaks that we took advantage of. Still, we need Mookie moved to third and Bogaerts down the lineup where his weakness in clutch hitting does not sink the team.
Mookie has done virtually nothing since his 8 RBI game. I think he has 2 maybe 3 RBI in his last 9 games and I believe 1 of those RBI was a lead off HR in the 1st inning to start a game. (In those 9 games he's had lots of chances to drive in runs) Most of his hits have come leading off an inning lately. He had 2 more hits like that tonight and popped out again with runners in scoring position. Right now I don't know if we'd be any better off moving him than we are now. Myself I'd put Beni in the 3rd spot and move Xman down to 6th or 7th. Probably 7th behind Betts, Pedroia, Beni, Hanley, Moreland, JBJ then Xman then the catcher then the 3rd baseman.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 14, 2017, 09:57:59 PM
Quote from: markj on July 14, 2017, 09:38:14 PM
Yankees literally hand the game to the Sox.
And I'l take it.
Me too. The baseball gods decided to show mercy on this snoozefest of a lineup.
I'll remember that bottom of the 9th. Thx Yankees!
Quote from: ipot on July 14, 2017, 11:05:07 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 14, 2017, 09:57:59 PM
Quote from: markj on July 14, 2017, 09:38:14 PM
Yankees literally hand the game to the Sox.
And I'l take it.
Me too. The baseball gods decided to show mercy on this snoozefest of a lineup.
I'll remember that bottom of the 9th. Thx Yankees!
Yup! What a way to break our 0-30-something streak when trailing after the 8th inning. The stadium was electric. I couldn't fall asleep for an hour my adrenaline was pumping so hard.
Now let's keep the pedal to the metal and beat this failing Yankee team into oblivion!
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 14, 2017, 09:56:43 PM
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on July 14, 2017, 08:44:02 PM
It's very simple. There is absolutely zero chance that we compete with a middle of the line-up that includes Chris Young every 2-3-4 days. It cannot happen. There is NO CHANCE. He might pop a few more homer runs by the end of the year, but that is a #7 man at best. AT BEST. He is a good bench player. No chance. None. Zippo. He is supporting cast.
The ONLY chance we have at winning the AL flag is if we decide on and then put our best chance of a good middle lineup into place and leave then the bleep alone. That's the only way this has a chance. It's simple. Option-A = little chance. Option-B = no chance. Whoever it is supposed to be, leave them in there and help them work through it the best they can.
Folks, we talking about a line up that is now platooning 2 of the 4 middle line up spots. NOBODY wins doing this. Ever.
It is NOT even remotely correct to match young out there in the 5-hole. That part-time insistence of R-L-R is over-managing at this point. Other options might be bad options, but Chris Young is never, ever going to be part of that answer. Not the 5-hole. Desperate times might dictate the 6 hole. But not 5th.
And don't get me started about our 2nd best RBI man pulling splinters out of his ass tonight.
Benintendi was rated the No. 1 prospect in baseball before the season. He has no business being platooned. Farrell is a moron as a manager, of that I am convinced. What he is doing with that platooning is criminal. He needs to stop that and, as you said go with his best nine players. Young is a journeyman who did well for the Yanks his first year and not so hot the second. He needs to be a reserve and nothing more. I'm totally with you on that my friend.
Couldn't agree with you more, Fred. Beni has to play everyday.
Farrell is still, by far, this team's biggest liability.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 14, 2017, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 14, 2017, 09:42:50 PM
Yes the Yankees gave to game to the sox by errors and poor starting pitching. The Sox had a chance to make this a laugher early and didn't do it. That being said but Farrell's double steal call in the 9th was brilliant! I don't say this often but great call by Farrell that move was the play of the game for me.
Gutty move. We must give Farrell credit for that, but his platooning is horseshit in my book. Still we have to be happy to have come from behind to win. Beating the Yankees always should make our day.
For at least this game I'll get rid of your word gutty.
It was a great managers move.
That's would be said if Girardi did it to beat us.
So for at least this game that's what I will call JFs move.
Great game, great win ..... That double steel was electric !! As DAD would say, "SON, ya got to keep the defense off balance" !! thumb_u rofl
Anytime you beat the Yankees it is a "great" game, but the reality is this was a sloppy contest by both teams. Too many lost chances for Boston and too many gifts given by NY. I was also surrounded by Yankee fans, but since 2004 they have been neutered. Both Hanley and Sanchez hit great bombs. Montgomery and Pomeranz are patient zero for a pitch clock. A batter steps out - call a strike unless he has a broken hand. As soon as an ump walks to the mound - automatic ball. 35 minutes for the first inning and almost one hour to get through two. Final was almost 3 and 1/2 hours. Ugly win.
OJ we often don't see eye to eye but on this you are absolutely 100% spot on. Jim Kaat and Bob Costas were having a cow with Sanchez's trips to the mound. One trip per pitcher per game that's the rule I'd enforce. I also agree that if batter steps out its a strike unless its a legitimate injury or dust or dirt is in his eye and then only once per at bat. They've got to do something to speed up these pitchers.
Quote from: ojdidit on July 15, 2017, 07:21:26 AM
Anytime you beat the Yankees it is a "great" game, but the reality is this was a sloppy contest by both teams. Too many lost chances for Boston and too many gifts given by NY. I was also surrounded by Yankee fans, but since 2004 they have been neutered. Both Hanley and Sanchez hit great bombs. Montgomery and Pomeranz are patient zero for a pitch clock. A batter steps out - call a strike unless he has a broken hand. As soon as an ump walks to the mound - automatic ball. 35 minutes for the first inning and almost one hour to get through two. Final was almost 3 and 1/2 hours. Ugly win.
As I mentioned to someone last night on this board, I didn't tune in until the seventh inning so I relieved myself of the long previous six innings snoozer. However, an ugly win is a helluva lot better than an ugly loss and at least the team will wake up today feeling better about themselves than if they had lost amidst wasting one potential rally after another. Now the aim should be to use the win as an elixir to play a better game today and to finally put their talents to the best use possible.
What a fun game, especially at the end. I kept feeling that combination of worry and hope. Getting the win off of Chapman and having the Yankees basically choke was awesome. Special mention has to go to Farrell for the double steal call, but the platooning of 1B and LF isn't going to work when you have superior players you end up sitting. Beni and Moreland should start, barring an occassional rest day or in Beni's case, a day when maybe Young has great numbers against a guy. I like Travis, but Moreland is simply a better player right now.
Now let's go get them tonight!
Fred there is not such thing as a UGLY WIN WHEN WE BEAT THE YANKS.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 15, 2017, 11:33:37 AM
Fred there is not such thing as a UGLY WIN WHEN WE BEAT THE YANKS.
As DAD would say, "SON, all WINS MATTER" !!! thumb_u rofl