7:05pm Eastern
RED SOX
David Price (L)
1. Mookie Betts (R) DH
2. Rafael Devers (L) 3B
3. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS
4. J.D. Martinez (R) RF
5. Christian Vazquez (R) 1B
6. Sam Travis (R) LF
7. Michael Chavis (R) 2B
8. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF
9. Sandy Leon (S) C
ORIOLES
John Means (L)
1. Jonathan Villar (S) 2B
2. Hanser Alberto (R) 3B
3. Trey Mancini (R) 1B
4. Renato Nunez (R) DH
5. Anthony Santander (S) RF
6. Chance Sisco (L) C
7. Stevie Wilkerson (S) LF
8. Keon Broxton (R) CF
9. Richie Martin (R) SS
Gametime Temp: 87 degrees
Chance of Precip: 3%
Who would have thought that Xander Bogaerts .313, 21 homers, 73 RBI and Rafael Devers .326, 18 homers, 70 RBI would be the new faces of the Red Sox?
Quote from: Murph on July 19, 2019, 01:27:30 PM
Who would have thought that Xander Bogaerts .313, 21 homers, 73 RBI and Rafael Devers .326, 18 homers, 70 RBI would be the new faces of the Red Sox?
Who would have thought with their performances plus that of Vazquez that they'd be scrambling for a playoff spot. Betts is heating up now too, hopefully Martinez can as well.
Hot one tonight. I was just talking with someone about how when the weather up north gets like it is down here all summer long that the stories will be coming all weekend about how brutally hot it is.
Another strange lineup but I think JDM needs time off to get his act together. No better time to do that than against the O's. I'm guessing Beni is out to get Travis in against a lefty with Vazquez at 1B again too. Means, like other Oriole's pitchers, likes to give up the HR ball.
Quote from: longgame on July 19, 2019, 02:12:01 PM
Hot one tonight. I was just talking with someone about how when the weather up north gets like it is down here all summer long that the stories will be coming all weekend about how brutally hot it is.
Another strange lineup but I think JDM needs time off to get his act together. No better time to do that than against the O's. I'm guessing Beni is out to get Travis in against a lefty with Vazquez at 1B again too. Means, like other Oriole's pitchers, likes to give up the HR ball.
VAZ at 1st again ???? Rough around the edges !!! iono iono iono iono
No Beni no Brock what the hell is going ON in Coras AIRHEAD.
Unless there is an undisclosed injury, this is a BS line up. The manager just wants to prove he is the boss.
Well this game is going south fast. Price gives up a 3-run dinger in the 1st. Oy.
Sale gets good, Price goes bad the next day.
I guess this is Price's first game since dueling with Eck again. But he has a record of shutting down a team after the first couple innings. What can our batters do to annoy Means ?
Lefties are hitting .175 vs Means while righties are hitting HRs. It seemed to be a good move to have Travis in there over Beni at least.
Must say Travis justified his place in the lineup.
Well that is what happens when you play guys in positions they shouldn't be playing, inside the park home run
So much for shutting down hitters after a couple of innings. Price gives up a 2-run dinger.
Everyone is swinging for the fences again. Gets them nowhere.
Great pitching tonight. Our only chance is to get this starter out and get to the terrible O’s pen.
Price looked uncomfortable from the first pitch. Orioles are making the Sox look pathetic.
Quote from: elktonnick on July 19, 2019, 08:07:03 PM
Price looked uncomfortable from the first pitch. Orioles are making the Sox look pathetic.
No, the Sox are pathetic.
Quote from: markj on July 19, 2019, 08:07:37 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 19, 2019, 08:07:03 PM
Price looked uncomfortable from the first pitch. Orioles are making the Sox look pathetic.
No, the Sox are pathetic.
I knew after I posted that would be the reply. :)
Quote from: Murph on July 19, 2019, 03:38:08 PM
No Beni no Brock what the hell is going ON in Coras AIRHEAD.
For the record, when I saw the lineup tonight I decided it was no reason to tune in on my computer. It was like pre-ordained that this would be a bummer. Of course Price was terrible tonight but look at that lineup. Once again he keeps a 350 hitter on the bench because Alfred E. Newman thinks he cannot hit left handed pitchers even though the proof of that is scanty at best. We have a 187 hitter catching, a slumping CF back in the lineup and Cora's mishandling of our LF continued unabated. Alex Cora has just about undon e all the good he accomplished last year. He has inherited that disease called HUBRIs that affected Francona in his later years and destroyed Farrell soon after 2013. Is it the water or climate of Boston that results in our managers going completely bonkers and off the rails? Suggestion my friend and others out there.....just enjoy the wins we can manage because this season is over as far as post season is concerned This whole ensemble has been a sick joke since Day 1 and tonight we are humiliated by the worst team in the league while What Me Worry clings to his dogma and wonders what he can do to help the people of Puerto Rico instead of his team and fans.
Doesn't get much worse than this. Sox are getting spanked by a minor league team. Error after error, horrible pitching, and no offense. If the Sox were a low budget team, I could deal with this. But considering they're bumping up against the LT, this is ridiculous.
What a sorry-ass game that was. Sox are going nowhere this season. They can't even beat the lowly Orioles. By the time the Rays and Yanks series are over, the Sox will be close to mathematical elimination.
This is no joke my friends. Just a couple of minutes to go I went into our living room whee my wife was watching Wheel of Fortune when I threw down a towel right next to where she was seated. Linda understood immediately and so should the rest of you. This season is toast. We are not only not going to win the division, we aren't going to the playoffs at all. All we can do is relish the games we win from here on in and hope we can finally finish about 10 games above 500. Our starting staff is bleeding, our offense never hits in sync, the bullpen is a mess and the manager has his head cleanly us his tush. That's a recipe for failure and, sorry to say, we need to acknowledge that so at least all of us can enjoy the rest of our summer instead of being consumed with a hope that is not going to come. Sorry my friends but I think that is a essence of things right now. This team isn't going anywhere but home in October.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 19, 2019, 09:57:09 PM
This is no joke my friends. Just a couple of minutes to go I went into our living room whee my wife was watching Wheel of Fortune when I threw down a towel right next to where she was seated. Linda understood immediately and so should the rest of you. This season is toast. We are not only not going to win the division, we aren't going to the playoffs at all. All we can do is relish the games we win from here on in and hope we can finally finish about 10 games above 500. Our starting staff is bleeding, our offense never hits in sync, the bullpen is a mess and the manager has his head cleanly us his tush. That's a recipe for failure and, sorry to say, we need to acknowledge that so at least all of us can enjoy the rest of our summer instead of being consumed with a hope that is not going to come. Sorry my friends but I think that is a essence of things right now. This team isn't going anywhere but home in October.
Agreed. Write the season off and savor the victories as they happen.
Once again the Red Sox looked listless and flat. JD Martinez looked lethargic both at the plate and in the field. Price looked uncomfortable from his first pitch and he pitched as if he didn't want to be there. Apparently after he was removed the manager accompanied him down into the clubhouse and he missed a few batters. What was that all about ? I am telling you something is rotten in Denmark and it isn't the Aebleflæsk.
Quote from: elktonnick on July 20, 2019, 07:47:51 AM
Once again the Red Sox looked listless and flat. JD Martinez looked lethargic both at the plate and in the field. Price looked uncomfortable from his first pitch and he pitched as if he didn't want to be there. Apparently after he was removed the manager accompanied him down into the clubhouse and he missed a few batters. What was that all about ? I am telling you something is rotten in Denmark and it isn't the Aebleflæsk.
B I N G O dat !! PRICE is SO PREDICTABLE and the HITTERS just go WITH the PITCH..... KEEP them OFF THE PLATE ?? I am tired of SEEING BIG $$$$$$$$ players turning in CRAP performances…. BASBALL needs to figure it out !! thumb_d iono iono iono
Quote from: markj on July 19, 2019, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 19, 2019, 09:57:09 PM
This is no joke my friends. Just a couple of minutes to go I went into our living room whee my wife was watching Wheel of Fortune when I threw down a towel right next to where she was seated. Linda understood immediately and so should the rest of you. This season is toast. We are not only not going to win the division, we aren't going to the playoffs at all. All we can do is relish the games we win from here on in and hope we can finally finish about 10 games above 500. Our starting staff is bleeding, our offense never hits in sync, the bullpen is a mess and the manager has his head cleanly us his tush. That's a recipe for failure and, sorry to say, we need to acknowledge that so at least all of us can enjoy the rest of our summer instead of being consumed with a hope that is not going to come. Sorry my friends but I think that is a essence of things right now. This team isn't going anywhere but home in October.
Agreed. Write the season off and savor the victories as they happen.
EXACTLY .I laugh at fans and media that still want and expect major changes.WHY to play 1 game and go home makes no sense. Sox fans won't quit rooting or watching but MOST know it's been over for awhile. Let's hope the FO knows the same and don't make a senseless trade. I would think come the meetings they will start a minor reset by offering 1 or 2 regulars to reset the LT bill..
Quote from: Bill-806 on July 20, 2019, 08:26:09 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 20, 2019, 07:47:51 AM
Once again the Red Sox looked listless and flat. JD Martinez looked lethargic both at the plate and in the field. Price looked uncomfortable from his first pitch and he pitched as if he didn't want to be there. Apparently after he was removed the manager accompanied him down into the clubhouse and he missed a few batters. What was that all about ? I am telling you something is rotten in Denmark and it isn't the Aebleflæsk.
B I N G O dat !! PRICE is SO PREDICTABLE and the HITTERS just go WITH the PITCH..... KEEP them OFF THE PLATE ?? I am tired of SEEING BIG $$$$$$$$ players turning in CRAP performances…. BASBALL needs to figure it out !! thumb_d iono iono iono
Looks like PRICE has the RED SOX "by the $$$$$$$$$$$" !!!! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Quote from: Murph on July 20, 2019, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: markj on July 19, 2019, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 19, 2019, 09:57:09 PM
This is no joke my friends. Just a couple of minutes to go I went into our living room whee my wife was watching Wheel of Fortune when I threw down a towel right next to where she was seated. Linda understood immediately and so should the rest of you. This season is toast. We are not only not going to win the division, we aren't going to the playoffs at all. All we can do is relish the games we win from here on in and hope we can finally finish about 10 games above 500. Our starting staff is bleeding, our offense never hits in sync, the bullpen is a mess and the manager has his head cleanly us his tush. That's a recipe for failure and, sorry to say, we need to acknowledge that so at least all of us can enjoy the rest of our summer instead of being consumed with a hope that is not going to come. Sorry my friends but I think that is a essence of things right now. This team isn't going anywhere but home in October.
Agreed. Write the season off and savor the victories as they happen.
EXACTLY .I laugh at fans and media that still want and expect major changes.WHY to play 1 game and go home makes no sense. Sox fans won't quit rooting or watching but MOST know it's been over for awhile. Let's hope the FO knows the same and don't make a senseless trade. I would think come the meetings they will start a minor reset by offering 1 or 2 regulars to reset the LT bill..
I don't see that happening.
They are clearly still in the Wild Card race and the FO thinks they have a team that can get hot. I just don't see any evidence of that happening. It seems that they can never fire on all cylinders. Sale goes great, Price has some kind of meltdown. I'd like to know more about the long conversation in the tunnel but I doubt we will find out.
As for the lineup, I doubt Holt would have driven in 10 runs. Probably not bad in the big picture to give Mookie a night off from the field and Means has been very tough on lefties - which was evidenced by at bats by Devers in particular. Martinez is the guy who needs some time off and probably will set against a righty soon. Beni has an OPS of about .600 so he's not hitting and he's not slugging and he's looked poor in the field. Travis contributed more than Beni would have.
Quote from: elktonnick on July 20, 2019, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Murph on July 20, 2019, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: markj on July 19, 2019, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 19, 2019, 09:57:09 PM
This is no joke my friends. Just a couple of minutes to go I went into our living room whee my wife was watching Wheel of Fortune when I threw down a towel right next to where she was seated. Linda understood immediately and so should the rest of you. This season is toast. We are not only not going to win the division, we aren't going to the playoffs at all. All we can do is relish the games we win from here on in and hope we can finally finish about 10 games above 500. Our starting staff is bleeding, our offense never hits in sync, the bullpen is a mess and the manager has his head cleanly us his tush. That's a recipe for failure and, sorry to say, we need to acknowledge that so at least all of us can enjoy the rest of our summer instead of being consumed with a hope that is not going to come. Sorry my friends but I think that is a essence of things right now. This team isn't going anywhere but home in October.
Agreed. Write the season off and savor the victories as they happen.
EXACTLY .I laugh at fans and media that still want and expect major changes.WHY to play 1 game and go home makes no sense. Sox fans won't quit rooting or watching but MOST know it's been over for awhile. Let's hope the FO knows the same and don't make a senseless trade. I would think come the meetings they will start a minor reset by offering 1 or 2 regulars to reset the LT bill..
I don't see that happening.
Maybe not but unless they are committed to going over the highest LT {WHICH WILL NOT HAPPEN}improving the team will be difficult. Yeah, Porcello most likely is gone with his 20 m and a few lesser contracts also. Pedey should retire and his 13m gone also but will that be enough? The key to all of this is what will they do with Mookie a. IMHO giving him a long term 6-8 year 250 plus contract will not work out in the long run. JD with the kind of year he is having probably will not opt-out. Trading from the close to nothing farm system will not be the answer. Without trading a regular I don`t have a clue what will improve the team. Needs IMO are minimum 3 RPs plus a closer 2nd base and SP help.
Quote from: Murph on July 20, 2019, 12:21:34 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 20, 2019, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Murph on July 20, 2019, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: markj on July 19, 2019, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 19, 2019, 09:57:09 PM
This is no joke my friends. Just a couple of minutes to go I went into our living room whee my wife was watching Wheel of Fortune when I threw down a towel right next to where she was seated. Linda understood immediately and so should the rest of you. This season is toast. We are not only not going to win the division, we aren't going to the playoffs at all. All we can do is relish the games we win from here on in and hope we can finally finish about 10 games above 500. Our starting staff is bleeding, our offense never hits in sync, the bullpen is a mess and the manager has his head cleanly us his tush. That's a recipe for failure and, sorry to say, we need to acknowledge that so at least all of us can enjoy the rest of our summer instead of being consumed with a hope that is not going to come. Sorry my friends but I think that is a essence of things right now. This team isn't going anywhere but home in October.
Agreed. Write the season off and savor the victories as they happen.
EXACTLY .I laugh at fans and media that still want and expect major changes.WHY to play 1 game and go home makes no sense. Sox fans won't quit rooting or watching but MOST know it's been over for awhile. Let's hope the FO knows the same and don't make a senseless trade. I would think come the meetings they will start a minor reset by offering 1 or 2 regulars to reset the LT bill..
I don't see that happening.
Maybe not but unless they are committed to going over the highest LT {WHICH WILL NOT HAPPEN}improving the team will be difficult. Yeah, Porcello most likely is gone with his 20 m and a few lesser contracts also. Pedey should retire and his 13m gone also but will that be enough? The key to all of this is what will they do with Mookie a. IMHO giving him a long term 6-8 year 250 plus contract will not work out in the long run. JD with the kind of year he is having probably will not opt-out. Trading from the close to nothing farm system will not be the answer. Without trading a regular I don`t have a clue without a minor what will improve the team. Needs IMO are minimum 3 RPs plus a closer 2nd base and SP help.
The once proud FLAG SHIP AKA PAWTUCKET is only a shadow of its once self ?? iono iono iono
In 2014 as the team was collapsing after another meltdown from the previous year, the team under GM Charington and meddling co-owner Lucchino went into full panic mode, signing a bum like Castillo for big bucks and then after the season going on a stupid spending spree to net us two dreary characters in Sandoval and Hanley, neither of whom worked out with their big contracts. They look like they may be primed for another round of panic city this summer in an effort to salvage a season that is not salvageable and in the meantime strip our farm system of the few good prospects we have. DO NOT DO THIS DOMBROWSKI. THIS SEASON IS OVER; WE ARE NOT OF THE QUALITY TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS UNLESS YOU CONSIDER A ONE AND OUT GAME PRORESS. It is time to face the music and for you to tell Cora in no uncertain terms that when he comes to ST next Spring he had better work his and his team's ass off and make no attempt to do a redux of this year's ST farce. Also for you to get two solid relief pitchers and a CLOSER and to dump of of our excess garbage in the process.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 20, 2019, 03:03:33 PM
In 2014 as the team was collapsing after another meltdown from the previous year, the team under GM Charington and meddling co-owner Lucchino went into full panic mode, signing a bum like Castillo for big bucks and then after the season going on a stupid spending spree to net us two dreary characters in Sandoval and Hanley, neither of whom worked out with their big contracts. They look like they may be primed for another round of panic city this summer in an effort to salvage a season that is not salvageable and in the meantime strip our farm system of the few good prospects we have. DO NOT DO THIS DOMBROWSKI. THIS SEASON IS OVER; WE ARE NOT OF THE QUALITY TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS UNLESS YOU CONSIDER A ONE AND OUT GAME PRORESS. It is time to face the music and for you to tell Cora in no uncertain terms that when he comes to ST next Spring he had better work his and his team's ass off and make no attempt to do a redux of this year's ST farce. Also for you to get two solid relief pitchers and a CLOSER and to dump of of our excess garbage in the process.
Well said, FRED …….. CONCUR & BINGO DAT !!!! thumb_u
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 20, 2019, 03:03:33 PM
In 2014 as the team was collapsing after another meltdown from the previous year, the team under GM Charington and meddling co-owner Lucchino went into full panic mode, signing a bum like Castillo for big bucks and then after the season going on a stupid spending spree to net us two dreary characters in Sandoval and Hanley, neither of whom worked out with their big contracts. They look like they may be primed for another round of panic city this summer in an effort to salvage a season that is not salvageable and in the meantime strip our farm system of the few good prospects we have. DO NOT DO THIS DOMBROWSKI. THIS SEASON IS OVER; WE ARE NOT OF THE QUALITY TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS UNLESS YOU CONSIDER A ONE AND OUT GAME PRORESS. It is time to face the music and for you to tell Cora in no uncertain terms that when he comes to ST next Spring he had better work his and his team's ass off and make no attempt to do a redux of this year's ST farce. Also for you to get two solid relief pitchers and a CLOSER and to dump of of our excess garbage in the process.
LaRusso said the same thing about preserving the farm and that he thught making the playoffs was notworth giving up on a promising A or AA prospect of real value. But I have my doubts that DD is listening to Tony.
I don't get why you think the front office would believe that they have no shot at the playoffs. Like I said, they fully expect to make it and catch fire. They're not going to go out and get big contracts, Abreu is purely a rental and will be a FA. Last night you guys were complaining that Travis was playing. Now you're complaining that they won't develop a young player if they sign a veteran? By that logic they should cut Moreland before he makes it back and let people develop. Right? 65 games to go, more than a third of the season, and you think they can't make up 3 games?
I think they can make the playoffs if and only if whatever malaise that besets this team passes and if and only if Manager Neuman reads the team the riot act and they stop playing with their collective heads up their collective butts.
Quote from: elktonnick on July 20, 2019, 03:33:36 PM
I think they can make the playoffs if and only if whatever malaise that besets this team passes and if and only if Manager Neuman reads the team the riot act and they stop playing with their collective heads up their collective butts.
So you think if he yells at them they'll move up to 1st in runs from 2nd? The problem is the pitching.
Quote from: longgame on July 21, 2019, 02:07:27 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 20, 2019, 03:33:36 PM
I think they can make the playoffs if and only if whatever malaise that besets this team passes and if and only if Manager Neuman reads the team the riot act and they stop playing with their collective heads up their collective butts.
So you think if he yells at them they'll move up to 1st in runs from 2nd? The problem is the pitching.
They are playing stupid baseball, they are listless. The same pitchers who challenged hitters last year aren't pitching to contact, their entire approach towards pitching is flawed. They get two strikes on a batter then nibble going to a full count either giving up a walk or a cookie for a base hit or worse.
Well I can see there are two camps on this matter but all I can say is look at today's game. It is a replica of so many other games we have played (or not played). Our team is capable of going out and getting 17 runs and 17 hits in one game and then descending to the depths of baseball hell and wind up with one hit and no runs.....like TODAY!!!!!! My friends this is not the makings of a title contender and personally I insist that the jig is up. If this had happened only once or twice this season I could sluff i off, but this hot and cold change that could erupt within a day speaks volumes to me. We don't have it and w e will not get.....not this season anyway. Well there is some consolation that we can feel a small comfort in. We have four titles this century, more than any o ther team. With that in mind there is always the belief that we know what it takes to win and maybe after this reason we will get this feeling back.