1:05PM Eastern
Red Sox
Nathan Eovaldi (R)
1. Mookie Betts (R) CF
2. Rafael Devers (L) 3B
3. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS
4. J.D. Martinez (R) RF
5. Andrew Benintendi (L) LF
6. Sam Travis (R) DH
7. Christian Vazquez (R) 1B
8. Sandy Leon (S) C
9. Chris Owings (R) 2B
Orioles
Ty Blach (L)
1. Jonathan Villar (S) SS
2. Trey Mancini (R) DH
3. Anthony Santander (S) RF
4. Renato Nunez (R) 3B
5. Jace Peterson (L) LF
6. Hanser Alberto (R) 2B
7. Chris Davis (L) 1B
8. Stevie Wilkerson (S) CF
9. Chance Sisco (L) C
Gametime Temp: 84°F
Chance of Precip: 1%
O's announcers are rightly questioning why Eovaldi is throwing all sorts of off speed stuff when he has a great fastball and saw the homer on a hanging curveball all but inevitable.
I'm amazed at this fear of the fastball by Sox pitchers.
More bad pitching, no punch on offense. Palmer has commented on how the everyone from the team to the crowd isn't into it and Thorne pointing out that the fans have pretty much had it with this team. I was looking forward to maybe catching them when I'm up there in a couple of weeks and now I'm not sure I want to!
Dead men walking !!! thumb_d
COL. SAM TRAVIS with another CENTER field H R ……. The SOX are trying to make TY BLOCK look like CY YOUNG HIMSELF !!!! iono iono iono
HEY ALEX, Vazquez is not a 1st BASEMAN ….. He is going to get one of our pitchers HURT, A K A John Farrell & Stevie Wright ???? iono iono iono iono
Hey, a 6 spot in the 6th and left the bases loaded.
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on August 18, 2019, 02:54:48 PM
Hey, a 6 spot in the 6th and left the bases loaded.
GOOD STUFF …… As DAD would say, "SON, nevaaa give up on OUR RED SOX " !!! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl This BALTIMORE team looks very DOUBLE "A" to me !!!! rofl rofl
SOX beat the Orioles 13 - 7.
I KNOW it is only the Orioles -
BUT, nice to come back after the Orioles
scored 5 runs off Eovaldi in the first two innings.
FUN to have a 6 run 6th inning.
AND Devers continues his remarkable offensive run . . .
We swept the series against the Orioles and despite their record it is good to sweep anyone at this time of year with our chances pretty much gone with the wind., but can I be blunt and honest about this??????????? We need to start thinking about next season right now, not in November. Time to bring in a new pitching coach and decide who we are going to let fly so we can have enough mo ney to try and retool for next season. We have a lot of money coming off the books and more if we can finally tell Dustin Pedroia that the game is up; time to call it a career. I just wonder how traumatized the organization is after this debacle of a season. Anyone know where DD is hiding out because he has been conspicuous by his absence. Cora looks lost too with that "WHAT WENT WRONG?" We need to win as many games as possible and still make plans for next season. There is no choice by to try and do both. We brought all this one ourselves, or should I say THEY did.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 18, 2019, 06:21:30 PM
We swept the series against the Orioles and despite their record it is good to sweep anyone at this time of year with our chances pretty much gone with the wind., but can I be blunt and honest about this??????????? We need to start thinking about next season right now, not in November. Time to bring in a new pitching coach and decide who we are going to let fly so we can have enough mo ney to try and retool for next season. We have a lot of money coming off the books and more if we can finally tell Dustin Pedroia that the game is up; time to call it a career. I just wonder how traumatized the organization is after this debacle of a season. Anyone know where DD is hiding out because he has been conspicuous by his absence. Cora looks lost too with that "WHAT WENT WRONG?" We need to win as many games as possible and still make plans for next season. There is no choice by to try and do both. We brought all this one ourselves, or should I say THEY did.
Not as much as you think .Close to half coming boff the books has already been spent on the good extension to Bogey and the dumb extension to Sale. That's 49m already gone.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 18, 2019, 06:21:30 PM
We swept the series against the Orioles and despite their record it is good to sweep anyone at this time of year with our chances pretty much gone with the wind., but can I be blunt and honest about this??????????? We need to start thinking about next season right now, not in November. Time to bring in a new pitching coach and decide who we are going to let fly so we can have enough mo ney to try and retool for next season. We have a lot of money coming off the books and more if we can finally tell Dustin Pedroia that the game is up; time to call it a career. I just wonder how traumatized the organization is after this debacle of a season. Anyone know where DD is hiding out because he has been conspicuous by his absence. Cora looks lost too with that "WHAT WENT WRONG?" We need to win as many games as possible and still make plans for next season. There is no choice by to try and do both. We brought all this one ourselves, or should I say THEY did.
They can worry about that stuff in the offseason. Can't really do much in terms of moving players now. Pedroia's money doesn't go away until his contract does, even if he doesn't play and even if they cut ties with him. DD does an interview with NESN every week, as do other people from the Sox FO. Cora does an interview after every single game. Cora doesn't look lost, his pitching staff looks lost. I'd be wondering who can get outs too. In the meantime they keep scoring as well as anyone.
Despite all the criticism of DD,it is unlikely to be going anywhere. Let's look at it from a purely objective point of view. First it isn't that simple to find a competent chief of baseball operations. Can't imagine the conversation with any potential DD replacement. "You mean I could get fired a year after winning the world series?" Few if any top notch candidates would take the job under such circumstances.
Second, Henry hasn't fired any of his top baseball people without a replacement pretty much already chosen. While we have seen media speculation about DD being on his way out, primarily from Dan Shaughnessy, no names of likely replacements are being prominently mentioned. Moreover, after co writing Terry Francona's book critical of Sox ownership, I hardly think Shaughnessy is on the short list of one of John Henry's close confidantes.
Finally, DD and Henry have a long history of working together. I hardly think that DD and Henry had pretty much worked out DD's approach to FA signings after winning the world series. Both Henry and DD are playing for the long haul. They know that winning the world series in 18 has given them several years cushion so long as the sox remain competitive. The key is remaining competitive. That means the sox don't rebuild, they reload. The joker that screwed up the plan was the Spring Training strategy which cost the Sox a winning record early in the year.
The upshot will be there will be changes this offseason but not to any of the Sox core players, meaning anyone whose last name begins with a B.. I do expect the pitching coach to be the most likely replacement with Cora being kept on a very short leash, despite my desire to see him gone.
Quote from: elktonnick on August 19, 2019, 08:29:16 AM
Despite all the criticism of DD,it is unlikely to be going anywhere. Let's look at it from a purely objective point of view. First it isn't that simple to find a competent chief of baseball operations. Can't imagine the conversation with any potential DD replacement. "You mean I could get fired a year after winning the world series?" Few if any top notch candidates would take the job under such circumstances.
Second, Henry hasn't fired any of his top baseball people without a replacement pretty much already chosen. While we have seen media speculation about DD being on his way out, primarily from Dan Shaughnessy, no names of likely replacements are being prominently mentioned. Moreover, after co writing Terry Francona's book critical of Sox ownership, I hardly think Shaughnessy is on the short list of one of John Henry's close confidantes.
Finally, DD and Henry have a long history of working together. I hardly think that DD and Henry had pretty much worked out DD's approach to FA signings after winning the world series. Both Henry and DD are playing for the long haul. They know that winning the world series in 18 has given them several years cushion so long as the sox remain competitive. The key is remaining competitive. That means the sox don't rebuild, they reload. The joker that screwed up the plan was the Spring Training strategy which cost the Sox a winning record early in the year.
The upshot will be there will be changes this offseason but not to any of the Sox core players, meaning anyone whose last name begins with a B.. I do expect the pitching coach to be the most likely replacement with Cora being kept on a very short leash, despite my desire to see him gone.
The lynchpin to the Bs staying in place could be today's Sale exam with Dr Andrews. If he is out of the picture for a long period, Sox could be looking at two or more SPs on the market . Here's hoping.
Quote from: elktonnick on August 19, 2019, 08:29:16 AM
Despite all the criticism of DD,it is unlikely to be going anywhere. Let's look at it from a purely objective point of view. First it isn't that simple to find a competent chief of baseball operations. Can't imagine the conversation with any potential DD replacement. "You mean I could get fired a year after winning the world series?" Few if any top notch candidates would take the job under such circumstances.
Second, Henry hasn't fired any of his top baseball people without a replacement pretty much already chosen. While we have seen media speculation about DD being on his way out, primarily from Dan Shaughnessy, no names of likely replacements are being prominently mentioned. Moreover, after co writing Terry Francona's book critical of Sox ownership, I hardly think Shaughnessy is on the short list of one of John Henry's close confidantes.
Finally, DD and Henry have a long history of working together. I hardly think that DD and Henry had pretty much worked out DD's approach to FA signings after winning the world series. Both Henry and DD are playing for the long haul. They know that winning the world series in 18 has given them several years cushion so long as the sox remain competitive. The key is remaining competitive. That means the sox don't rebuild, they reload. The joker that screwed up the plan was the Spring Training strategy which cost the Sox a winning record early in the year.
The upshot will be there will be changes this offseason but not to any of the Sox core players, meaning anyone whose last name begins with a B.. I do expect the pitching coach to be the most likely replacement with Cora being kept on a very short leash, despite my desire to see him gone.
With Mookie`s rejection of an extension after the 2017 season of 8--200 and Trouts unreal 12-430m deal I see another extension try by the FO just to sort of get a feel of what Mookie wants
He will probably get to 25m in arbitration in 2020. So that means Mookie will most likely be looking at a 300M deal. With the way Sale has performed and his possible serious arm injury would it be wise to give Mookie a 250- 300m deal and risk being over the LT for years.
Any long term damage to Sale would be a disaster. On the other hand, it could be something ranging from tendonitis to something fixable via surgery and he'll be back to form in April.
I wonder what the approach to Betts will be. He's an elite player to be sure, but he has a problem of being consistent from year for some reason and I can't figure out why. I know the Sox have had a sports psychologist on staff, but it seems to me that last year he was confident at the plate and stroking the ball and this year he has a lot of check swings. Then again, lots of guys would love to have a "bad" season with a .895 OPS which is largely driven by his team leading OBP which is what your leadoff hitter should be good at. I think he's a better player than Harper or Machado who signed huge deals last year. I don't think anyone can argue that Trout is not the singularly the best player in baseball so he's not really a comparison. Will the Sox tie up that much money in one player? Especially when Devers may become an even greater player the way he's going at 22? If I'm Betts I'd be testing the market if for no other reason than to keep the Sox honest.
Good points on DD and he talked about staying under the cap all year and that obviously came from Henry. It would be tough to say "you're fired because I wouldn't give you the funds to get more pitching because we're still paying Pablo Sandoval".
Quote from: longgame on August 19, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
Any long term damage to Sale would be a disaster. On the other hand, it could be something ranging from tendonitis to something fixable via surgery and he'll be back to form in April.
I wonder what the approach to Betts will be. He's an elite player to be sure, but he has a problem of being consistent from year for some reason and I can't figure out why. I know the Sox have had a sports psychologist on staff, but it seems to me that last year he was confident at the plate and stroking the ball and this year he has a lot of check swings. Then again, lots of guys would love to have a "bad" season with a .895 OPS which is largely driven by his team leading OBP which is what your leadoff hitter should be good at. I think he's a better player than Harper or Machado who signed huge deals last year. I don't think anyone can argue that Trout is not the singularly the best player in baseball so he's not really a comparison. Will the Sox tie up that much money in one player? Especially when Devers may become an even greater player the way he's going at 22? If I'm Betts I'd be testing the market if for no other reason than to keep the Sox honest.
Good points on DD and he talked about staying under the cap all year and that obviously came from Henry. It would be tough to say "you're fired because I wouldn't give you the funds to get more pitching because we're still paying Pablo Sandoval".
For some reason I think my pal Elk construed that I was after Dombrowski's scalp. I MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT!!!!!!!! Not living in Massachusetts but 3000 miles away I only hear about DD from what I read here and on the Internet and from that I got the impression that he has been incommunicado of late. To be certain, Dombrowski and Henry wanted a World Series Title after those two miserable years in 2014-2015 and it became evident that two AL East Titles was not sufficient. We were all in and went all out and secured a title last season and no matter how much I or others may complain about some of the problems this year, all of us will trade it for the title we won last season. You only have to look at the rest of baseball to see how so many teams are nearly prostituting themselves to finally get one, or those who have, another one----and many haven't won in quite awhile.
My complaint is not that we are not getting another title this season but rather how poorly we have been going at it since Cora's blooper of ST. There was no real reason to over the LTT this season and our aim should be to get under it within another year or so while we do a better job of building up our farm system so we can another run at the Big Cahoona in two or three or four years.
News from the Sox today is no Tommy John necessary for Sale. I would be surprised if they didn't shut him down this week.
Price is dealing with a "cyst" on his hand/arm but is throwing bull pen. He could be ready by the West Coast trip.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2019, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: longgame on August 19, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
Any long term damage to Sale would be a disaster. On the other hand, it could be something ranging from tendonitis to something fixable via surgery and he'll be back to form in April.
I wonder what the approach to Betts will be. He's an elite player to be sure, but he has a problem of being consistent from year for some reason and I can't figure out why. I know the Sox have had a sports psychologist on staff, but it seems to me that last year he was confident at the plate and stroking the ball and this year he has a lot of check swings. Then again, lots of guys would love to have a "bad" season with a .895 OPS which is largely driven by his team leading OBP which is what your leadoff hitter should be good at. I think he's a better player than Harper or Machado who signed huge deals last year. I don't think anyone can argue that Trout is not the singularly the best player in baseball so he's not really a comparison. Will the Sox tie up that much money in one player? Especially when Devers may become an even greater player the way he's going at 22? If I'm Betts I'd be testing the market if for no other reason than to keep the Sox honest.
Good points on DD and he talked about staying under the cap all year and that obviously came from Henry. It would be tough to say "you're fired because I wouldn't give you the funds to get more pitching because we're still paying Pablo Sandoval".
For some reason I think my pal Elk construed that I was after Dombrowski's scalp. I MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT!!!!!!!! Not living in Massachusetts but 3000 miles away I only hear about DD from what I read here and on the Internet and from that I got the impression that he has been incommunicado of late. To be certain, Dombrowski and Henry wanted a World Series Title after those two miserable years in 2014-2015 and it became evident that two AL East Titles was not sufficient. We were all in and went all out and secured a title last season and no matter how much I or others may complain about some of the problems this year, all of us will trade it for the title we won last season. You only have to look at the rest of baseball to see how so many teams are nearly prostituting themselves to finally get one, or those who have, another one----and many haven't won in quite awhile.
My complaint is not that we are not getting another title this season but rather how poorly we have been going at it since Cora's blooper of ST. There was no real reason to over the LTT this season and our aim should be to get under it within another year or so while we do a better job of building up our farm system so we can another run at the Big Cahoona in two or three or four years.
My post wasn't in response to your post,Fred, but rather to numerous chatter in Boston in general about DD's future. My sister another die-hard Sox fan and former season ticket holder told me that there had been a lot of speculation about DD's future up there. I think Shaughnessy's comments opened the flood gates.
Quote from: elktonnick on August 19, 2019, 05:17:27 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2019, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: longgame on August 19, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
Any long term damage to Sale would be a disaster. On the other hand, it could be something ranging from tendonitis to something fixable via surgery and he'll be back to form in April.
I wonder what the approach to Betts will be. He's an elite player to be sure, but he has a problem of being consistent from year for some reason and I can't figure out why. I know the Sox have had a sports psychologist on staff, but it seems to me that last year he was confident at the plate and stroking the ball and this year he has a lot of check swings. Then again, lots of guys would love to have a "bad" season with a .895 OPS which is largely driven by his team leading OBP which is what your leadoff hitter should be good at. I think he's a better player than Harper or Machado who signed huge deals last year. I don't think anyone can argue that Trout is not the singularly the best player in baseball so he's not really a comparison. Will the Sox tie up that much money in one player? Especially when Devers may become an even greater player the way he's going at 22? If I'm Betts I'd be testing the market if for no other reason than to keep the Sox honest.
Good points on DD and he talked about staying under the cap all year and that obviously came from Henry. It would be tough to say "you're fired because I wouldn't give you the funds to get more pitching because we're still paying Pablo Sandoval".
For some reason I think my pal Elk construed that I was after Dombrowski's scalp. I MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT!!!!!!!! Not living in Massachusetts but 3000 miles away I only hear about DD from what I read here and on the Internet and from that I got the impression that he has been incommunicado of late. To be certain, Dombrowski and Henry wanted a World Series Title after those two miserable years in 2014-2015 and it became evident that two AL East Titles was not sufficient. We were all in and went all out and secured a title last season and no matter how much I or others may complain about some of the problems this year, all of us will trade it for the title we won last season. You only have to look at the rest of baseball to see how so many teams are nearly prostituting themselves to finally get one, or those who have, another one----and many haven't won in quite awhile.
My complaint is not that we are not getting another title this season but rather how poorly we have been going at it since Cora's blooper of ST. There was no real reason to over the LTT this season and our aim should be to get under it within another year or so while we do a better job of building up our farm system so we can another run at the Big Cahoona in two or three or four years.
My post wasn't in response to your post,Fred, but rather to numerous chatter in Boston in general about DD's future. My sister another die-hard Sox fan and former season ticket holder told me that there had been a lot of speculation about DD's future up there. I think Shaughnessy's comments opened the flood gates.
Still waiting to hear from you my friend. I misplaced your phone number (senior moment) and can't call you until I get it. We're leaving for San Diego on Thursday and I would like to talk about our team before my wife and I leave. Any news about DD, please send them out to those of us not in the Boston area. I want to see some changes this winter but not a total bloodbath.
I think a lot of "chatter" on DD is due to the fact that he is 66 years old. it is increasingly a younger mans game
I think the team has been pretty consistent in saying to Mookie, if you want to be here, we will pay you. it is Mookie that is keeping them at arms length. Both sides would be doing themselves a disservice if they did not find out what is out there and available. but with Mookie, don't we and he already know? seemingly the die was set with the Harper and Machado negotiations. Mookie imo is looking at $2m either north or south of what they got imo. I would also think there are maybe 6-8 teams that are willing and capable of paying that.
I would think Porcello and Pedroia do come off the books this off season
I would think Levangie is replaced by someone with a longer track record and with a minor league plan, as the P in the ranks do not seem to be developing fast enough.
Certainly it is time to move on from Pearce/Mitch
Quote from: rkarp on August 20, 2019, 11:17:55 AM
I think a lot of "chatter" on DD is due to the fact that he is 66 years old. it is increasingly a younger mans game
I think the team has been pretty consistent in saying to Mookie, if you want to be here, we will pay you. it is Mookie that is keeping them at arms length. Both sides would be doing themselves a disservice if they did not find out what is out there and available. but with Mookie, don't we and he already know? seemingly the die was set with the Harper and Machado negotiations. Mookie imo is looking at $2m either north or south of what they got imo. I would also think there are maybe 6-8 teams that are willing and capable of paying that.
I would think Porcello and Pedroia do come off the books this off season
I would think Levangie is replaced by someone with a longer track record and with a minor league plan, as the P in the ranks do not seem to be developing fast enough.
Certainly it is time to move on from Pearce/Mitch
Agreed about Pearce and Moreland, especially if Pearce is still not 100%, but we may not not agree with how to do it. My way is to resign Brock Holt. He hits well, proved he can hit southpaws now and always brings a professional attitude to the game. Chavis goes to first until Casas is ready or Dalbec. Then we could package Dalbec and Hernandez for some pitching. They are young and could get us some half decent arms better than some of the ones we have now in the back half of the rotation or in the bullpen. We want to stay young but still be able to contend at a better pace than we have this season. I'm sure, though the team has been given this a lot of thought.
A lot of this depends on JD Martinez not going FA again. We don't want to get too left handed and Holt would be there for two or three years, time enough for Casas to be ready if he really develops as the scouts say, then move Chavis to second to keep power in the infield. If JD opts out we may find ourselves next year in the same spot we were in in 2017. Mookie, as good as he is, cannot carry a team at the plate; JD can and we still don't know if Mookie will be with us much longer anyway.