BLUE JAYS V RED SOX
THURSDAY, JULY 20, 2017, 1:30 PM AT FENWAY PARK
TV: NESN, SNET
TORONTO, ( 43-51).........................................................................................BOSTON, (54-42)
TORONTO:
FRANCISCO LIRIANO, LHP, 5-5, 6-4, 64K
Liriano is scheduled to make this start despite leaving his last outing after
just two-plus innings because of a sore neck. He was evaluated by a doctor
who prescribed rest, but the lefty was cleared to pitch after a bullpen session
Tuesday.
BOSTON:
DOUG FISTER, RHP, O-3, 6.75 ERA, 15K
The sinkerballer will try to recover from a tough last start before the break,
when he gave up five its and six runs (four earned) in 3 2/3 innings against the
Rangers. Fister took a no-decision against the Jays on June 30, giving up three
runs.
Vets Liriano, Fister close Jays-Red Sox series
Evan Chronis
Right-hander Doug Fister goes for his first win with the Red Sox, while Blue Jays lefty Francisco Liriano will try to get back on track as the two meet in Thursday afternoon's series finale at Fenway Park.
Fister was originally scheduled to face Toronto on Tuesday, but was scratched after pitching 2 2/3 innings of relief in Boston's 16-inning loss to the Yankees on Saturday.
The sinkerballer earned a no-decision after going five innings and allowing three earned runs in a start at Toronto on June 30.
This start will likely be Fister's last for the foreseeable future, as left-hander Eduardo Rodriguez returned to Boston's rotation Monday after being on the disabled list since June 2.
Red Sox manager John Farrell says the goal all along was to have Fister be an effective arm in the bullpen.
"When he came over here, that was the plan," Farrell said on Wednesday. "He was well aware of that. That would be the plan going forward as we work through these games and get back on track."
Liriano's first start back from the All-Star break was plagued with neck soreness, forcing him to leave his start against the Tigers after two-plus innings. He took the loss, giving up five earned runs and four walks.
Blue Jays manager John Gibbons says Liriano felt good as the team monitored him during a bullpen session Tuesday.
The left-hander is 3-4 with a 5.44 ERA in eight career starts against the Red Sox.
THREE THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME
• Liriano has gotten a strike with just 55.3 percent of his fastballs this season, the lowest rate among all MLB pitchers who have thrown at least 500 four-seamers, two-seamers and sinkers.
• Dustin Pedroia is 7-for-17 with two doubles and three walks against Liriano.
• Blue Jays designated hitter Kendrys Morales has homered off Fister three times in 25 career at-bats.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/20170719243211464/vets-liriano-fister-close-jays-red-sox-series/?game_pk=491531
BETTS, RF
YOUNG, LF
PEDROIA, DH
RAMIREZ, 1B
BRADLEY, CF
BOGAERTS, SS
LEON, C
MARRERO, 3B
HOLT, 2B
FISTER, RHP
Doesn't make much sense to me
Home stand ends today with a "get away game at 1:30", it would be great to "get away with another win" !!!! thumb_u rofl
Yeah...this Fister thing is baffling. There's no one else? A W is a W. It counts. Saving the other arms for the WC trip or switching up Fister over there is "6 of one/half dozen of the other."
Maybe Fister will win one for us.....that's a big maybe.
thumb_u
This is a Fatima Game. It will be a miracle if they win it.
Odd play with the outfielder missing the ball which bounced right into his hand. Then hitting Leon coming home with the throw and the ball still goes to the catcher to get Leon out. Betts cleans up the mess though with a rbi single. Sox up 3-1 after 2 innings.
Foster needs a couple quick up to at least get thru 5.
Really bad pitched inning that should of had no runs scored. Talk about ugly and having bad luck. Just a odd odd game so far. This game has had some strange things happen.
Fister's a washed up mound clown.
And just a dumb move by Farrell to go for the split. 3 out of 4 should be the goal.
Now, we'll have to burn some pen arms to do mop up.
Nice response in the bottom of the 3rd. Hanley Ks, Bradley Ks and a 1-2-3. Leone must be thinking this is pitching heaven.
Fister needs to GO.
Sox score 3 runs in the bottom of the 2nd inning.
AND then he gives it back by walking the first two batters.
Jays 5 - Sox 3
(AND I didn't see the pop up that scored 2 runs.)
Fister should not be in the rotation, bullpen or MLB. Loose with the future and not the past. Just leave him in for 130 pitches and save the staff.
Quote from: BoSoxFanNY on July 20, 2017, 01:58:00 PM
Fister needs to GO.
Sox score 3 runs in the bottom of the 2nd inning.
AND then he gives it back by walking the first two batters.
Jays 5 - Sox 3
(AND I didn't see the pop up that scored 2 runs.)
The missed pop up cost 4 runs. Should be 3-1 right now.
Why is Fister still in the game?
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Quote from: Schloicka on July 20, 2017, 02:05:57 PM
Quote from: BoSoxFanNY on July 20, 2017, 01:58:00 PM
Fister needs to GO.
Sox score 3 runs in the bottom of the 2nd inning.
AND then he gives it back by walking the first two batters.
Jays 5 - Sox 3
(AND I didn't see the pop up that scored 2 runs.)
The missed pop up cost 4 runs. Should be 3-1 right now.
Right - I just saw the play.
IF pop up was caught - inning would have been over
AND the score would have held. (DANG IT)
Well, that inning went just as planned...1,2,3.
So Farrell is NOT going to make a move.
Wish I could tell you how I really feel about this game, Fister, Farrell and our Offense.
TAKE him out now.
Just gave up a solo shot on the first pitch of the 5th inning.
SO very frustrating.
Error, bad pitching -
Toronto took Liriano out after 3 runs in the second inning.
My hopes are that the Sox will pull it out..... Howevaaa, we/they need to grab hold here !!! Win this one for Teddy !!! thumb_u rofl
Another crazy play. Guy falls down checking his swing and the ball hits his bat and rolls out to Abad who throws to 1st for the 3rd out. Was nice of Hanley to finally decide to touch the bag for the out. LOL.
Quote from: Bear on July 20, 2017, 03:49:48 AM
BETTS, RF
YOUNG, LF
PEDROIA, DH
RAMIREZ, 1B
BRADLEY, CF
BOGAERTS, SS
LEON, C
MARRERO, 3B
HOLT, 2B
FISTER, RHP
Doesn't make much sense to me
I smell the stench of Dombrowski in all this. He had Fister in Detroit, probably still likes the guy and is determined to prove his point that the guy still has it . Well he doesn't and today he has proven what a worthless bum he now is. He is done.....he needs to go to the bullpen, to the minors or given his release. It is pretty clear that Dumbo pulled a boner signing him because he has done nothing at all positive for the team. and unless we rally we will give back the game we gained last night. Keep in mind that everything Fister throws he gives his teammates a big middle finger and never wins. I saw him in Boston against the Angels and was disgusted by him from the start. He is a loser and needs to get his rotten ass out of Boston. Hear that DD?
Quote from: BoSoxFanNY on July 20, 2017, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: Schloicka on July 20, 2017, 02:05:57 PM
Quote from: BoSoxFanNY on July 20, 2017, 01:58:00 PM
Fister needs to GO.
Sox score 3 runs in the bottom of the 2nd inning.
AND then he gives it back by walking the first two batters.
Jays 5 - Sox 3
(AND I didn't see the pop up that scored 2 runs.)
The missed pop up cost 4 runs. Should be 3-1 right now.
Right - I just saw the play.
IF pop up was caught - inning would have been over
AND the score would have held. (DANG IT)
Well these things happen and a tough gutty pitcher will overcome this and get that out he needs to end the potential uprising. Not Fister because he is a rotten no good bum. Something like this happened in Boston on June 25. A double play call was reversed so the inning went on. All this shithead had to do was get another out. Instead Pisster gave up two booming doubles and a rope single and killed our chances of winning the game since we had one of our usual droughts that Sunday. If that crud would have bowed his neck he might have gotten out of it, just as he might have today if he wasn't such a worthless and gutless puke.
Pedey gets them within one run. See if they can pull this one out now.
Moreland proves he can hit a fly ball to the outfield again.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 20, 2017, 03:43:31 PM
Moreland proves he can hit a fly ball to the outfield again.
Give the guy a break, George, it would have been a home run at the Polo Grounds. thumb_u
Hard to get upset with this loss since going in with a guy who is only on this team since AAA is pathetic with pitching help.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 20, 2017, 04:13:04 PM
Hard to get upset with this loss since going in with a guy who is only on this team since AAA is pathetic with pitching help.
Well you can upset when you realize that that most likely Dombrowski seems determined to see this farce play out indefinitely. What is clear to all of us from what I've been reading is that Fister is horse dung; he is finished as a ML pitcher. The Tigers knew it, the Angels knew i t and only someone's ego is getting in the way. Send this guy away NOW. Th point is he has done nothing but lose; he hasn't contributed one thing positive to the Red Sox. He needs to go Dombrowski.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 20, 2017, 04:23:58 PM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 20, 2017, 04:13:04 PM
Hard to get upset with this loss since going in with a guy who is only on this team since AAA is pathetic with pitching help.
Well you can upset when you realize that that most likely Dombrowski seems determined to see this farce play out indefinitely. What is clear to all of us from what I've been reading is that Fister is horse dung; he is finished as a ML pitcher. The Tigers knew it, the Angels knew i t and only someone's ego is getting in the way. Send this guy away NOW. Th point is he has done nothing but lose; he hasn't contributed one thing positive to the Red Sox. He needs to go Dombrowski.
He will be gone soon. I gave up getting worked up over sports a long time ago and I feel so much better watching Sox games as I have been for close to 60 years.
Holt should get a good pair of sun glasses and deserved an E on the play.Must be a good friend of his the official scorer.
Holt's line since coming back 3-18, 3 1b, 2 bb, 6 k.Clearly not ready.
Calm down ALL .... AS much as I wanted this game, it is just nice getting away & still in 1st place.... Lets see what happens, more CHANGES coming, almost daily !!! thumb_u rofl
Holt screwed up.
Foster walked 4 guys in one inning.
And Pedey was a squirrel with a nut on that 3 run shot that made it close.
Again, 2-3 bats actually hitting in any given day. 6-7 since the win streak in earlier this month. ::)
Holt looked like the Panda on the pop up he screwed up.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 21, 2017, 07:58:10 AM
Holt looked like the Panda on the pop up he screwed up.
That was pure FENWAY PAAAK in an afternoon game this time of the year.... Yes, it hurt and helped lead to the loss..... Stay at it BROCK, you will win more for us than you loose !!! thumb_u rofl
4-4 homestand is not good. They should have at least picked up a game on either of these opponents. If the Yankees play the Sox to a tie and then go out and improve their bullpen, are they now the better team? While this game is the first stinker by a starter in a while, I would also hope that it's the last we've seen of Fister. But even though they came up with 6 runs, they need to find consistent offense.
I'm not sure the Yanks should be the standard to evaluate us. At the end of the year will be the Stro's and probably Cleveland. Those two will have great pitching and noisy bats in a short playoff series. But it also has merits that if we don't survive NY and TB, we'll be a tough spot.
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 21, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
I'm not sure the Yanks should be the standard to evaluate us. At the end of the year will be the Stro's and probably Cleveland. Those two will have great pitching and noisy bats in a short playoff series. But it also has merits that if we don't survive NY and TB, we'll be a tough spot.
Yup. The danger is dropping into a WC slot and then we're just a 50/50 shot to get to a series. In a WC game Sale isn't the problem, imho. It'll be the bats going cold.
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 21, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
I'm not sure the Yanks should be the standard to evaluate us. At the end of the year will be the Stro's and probably Cleveland. Those two will have great pitching and noisy bats in a short playoff series. But it also has merits that if we don't survive NY and TB, we'll be a tough spot.
Gotta beat them to win the division. One step at a time.
Quote from: longgame on July 21, 2017, 10:19:16 AM
4-4 homestand is not good. They should have at least picked up a game on either of these opponents. If the Yankees play the Sox to a tie and then go out and improve their bullpen, are they now the better team? While this game is the first stinker by a starter in a while, I would also hope that it's the last we've seen of Fister. But even though they came up with 6 runs, they need to find consistent offense.
Maybe they should have been shut out yesterday so they could save those runs for tonight when they have Chris Sale pitching for them. Our disgusting and gutless hitters have starved Chris for runs all damn season and it is high time this stops. Since we have almost zero chance of getting to the World Series with so many of our hitters fouling up the place, it would be nice if we could get Sale the Cy Young Award if chokers like Bogaerts, Moreland, Leon-Vazquez, not to mention now Jackie and Andy, start earning their keep maybe they can help Chris win enough games to give us a season ending winning record at least, as well as get him the Cy Young. The hitters owe Chris Sale at least that much. It is almost criminal how crappy they've been when he pitches.