PHILLIES V RED SOX
TUESDAY, JUNE 13, 2017, 7 PM AT FENWAY PARK
TV: NESN, CSN-P
PHILADELPIA, (21-41).........................................................................BOSTON, (35-28)
PHILADELPHIA:
BEN LIVELY, RHP, 1-1, 2.57 ERA, 3K
Lively pitched seven innings in each of is first two big league
starts, becoming the first Phillies pitcher to accomplish that feat
since Carlton Loewer in 1998. He has allowed four runs in
fourteen innings.
BOSTON:
DAVID PRICE, LHP, 1-1, 5.29 ERA, 15K
The lefty struggled in his last outing, giving up eight hits and
six runs over five innings while walking four in a 9-1 loss to the
Yankees. Price last pitched against the Phillies in 2012 as a member
of the Rays.
Experience vs. youth in Fenway showdown
Craig Forde
In recognition of the 2017 MLB Draft, which runs through Wednesday, we are including where and when each player was drafted.
The brief two-game set between the Phillies and Red Sox at Fenway Park will conclude with experience vs. youth, as the starters on both sides reach a third crucial start in their varying paths.
The Red Sox will have David Price (No. 1 overall, 2007 Draft, Vanderbilt University) on the hill in his third start since returning from the disabled list, looking to rebound from his last outing in which he allowed six runs in a loss to the Yankees.
Price will be opposed by rookie right-hander Ben Lively (fourth round, 2013 Draft, University of Central Florida), who is making the third big league start.
"It's a big challenge for anybody, especially with the offense they have," said Philadelphia manager Pete Mackanin, who was taken in the fourth round of the 1969 Draft from Brother Rice High School in Chicago, said about his pitchers having to face Red Sox hitters. "If you make quality pitches, you're going to get hitters out. ... If you don't make mistakes, you've got a good chance of being successful against any team. So it's up to the pitcher to command the ball, change speeds, do everything that you want him to do."
Price has two career starts against Philadelphia under his belt, having gone 1-1 with a 4.76 ERA over 14 innings. Lively, who is 1-1 with a 2.57 ERA, will face Boston for the first time in his career.
THREE THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME
• Slumping Phillies catcher Cameron Rupp (third round, 2010 Draft, University of Texas) should continue to see some off time throughout the home-and-home series against the Sox. Monday was the second straight game Rupp did not start, having hit just .104 in his last 15 games.
• Sox closer Craig Kimbrel (96th overall, 2008 Draft, Wallace State Community College) entered the series have converted all 28 of his save opportunities at Fenway Park, which includes one save while pitching with Atlanta. He is one shy of Tom Gordon's run of 29 straight saves converted at Fenway.
• The Red Sox combo of second baseman Dustin Pedroia (65th overall, 2004 Draft, Arizona State University) and shortstop Xander Bogaerts have played side-by-side in 352 games.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/20170612235981716/experience-vs-youth-in-fenway-showdown/?game_pk=491071
Red Sox v. Lively:
Betts RF,
Pedroia 2B,
Bogaerts SS,
Moreland 1B,
Benintendi LF,
Ramirez DH,
Bradley Jr. CF,
Rutledge 3B,
Vazquez C,
Price
OK David Price, the ball is in your glove !!! thumb_u rofl
What a strange world we are in when the highest paid pitcher in the MLB goes up against a rookie making his 3rd start and it's far from a slam dunk for the W. sigh
Quote from: Bill-806 on June 13, 2017, 07:19:00 AM
OK David Price, the ball is in your glove !!! thumb_u rofl
The guy I'm calling our tonight is Xander "Choker" Bogaerts who has not only stopped hitting but has taken his shoddy offense out on defense with him.... a sure sign of a potential loser. Unlike many of you out there, I have had this guy pegged as a choker since that first Home Opening Series in April of 2014 when he couldn't drive in a run to save his sorry ass. Oh, he got hits that series, three of them but all with no one on. Can't remember how many runners he left on base that series but I did count up to 15 before I stopped counting. The guy improved the next year (2015) in that regard but was back to his old bad ways from July on last season. This year he has been totally pathetic in the clutch and he has become a singles hitter with no power whatsoever. MAN UP BOGIE, YOU'R E SHITTING THE BED.
BTW, good way to finally win the game last night we should have won by the fifth inning. A hit, sacrifice, int walk and clutch hit by Pedroia was well done even if lead ass Marrero looked as inept running the bases as he does when he bats. Still I'll gladly take the win. How about making it a better job tonight?
Fred I disagree about Xander's defense. He has made some outstanding defensive plays.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 13, 2017, 03:55:24 PM
Quote from: Bill-806 on June 13, 2017, 07:19:00 AM
OK David Price, the ball is in your glove !!! thumb_u rofl
The guy I'm calling our tonight is Xander "Choker" Bogaerts who has not only stopped hitting but has taken his shoddy offense out on defense with him.... a sure sign of a potential loser. Unlike many of you out there, I have had this guy pegged as a choker since that first Home Opening Series in April of 2014 when he couldn't drive in a run to save his sorry ass. Oh, he got hits that series, three of them but all with no one on. Can't remember how many runners he left on base that series but I did count up to 15 before I stopped counting. The guy improved the next year (2015) in that regard but was back to his old bad ways from July on last season. This year he has been totally pathetic in the clutch and he has become a singles hitter with no power whatsoever. MAN UP BOGIE, YOU'R E SHITTING THE BED.
BTW, good way to finally win the game last night we should have won by the fifth inning. A hit, sacrifice, int walk and clutch hit by Pedroia was well done even if lead ass Marrero looked as inept running the bases as he does when he bats. Still I'll gladly take the win. How about making it a better job tonight?
As DAD would say, "SON, how do you really feel about the guy" ?? iono
Bases loaded, one out. Need some runs here.
I'll take a free run. Bases still loaded, still one out. Need more.
Wonderful. GIDP by Hanley ends it. Thank god they gave us a run.
Despite his HR yesterday Hanley isn't exactly tearing up opposing pitchers.
Okay Price got out of the inning but he didn't look either confident or impressive doing it.
Vazquez continues to hit.
Price walks another leadoff batter. What is afraid of? He is pitching to these guys as if they were the 27 Yankees
Quote from: elktonnick on June 13, 2017, 06:58:20 PM
Despite his HR yesterday Hanley isn't exactly tearing up opposing pitchers.
Okay Price got out of the inning but he didn't look either confident or impressive doing it.
Hitting .220 in June and hitting .193 with runners in scoring position for the year.
Sad that they're struggling to beat this team.
Sox find new ways to screw up promising innings. Nice.
Had the right idea but once he fell he was screwed.
They can't buy a clutch hit tonight.
Here we are again with a chance to end this. Will they do it?
They did. Benintendi comes through. Another walkoff that shouldn't have been that tough. Still, a win is a win.
Not a pretty game but the Sox get it done. Great job by the pen again. They bent but didn't break. Abad with the win. On to Philly now for 2 more.
Quote from: elktonnick on June 13, 2017, 04:00:32 PM
Fred I disagree about Xander's defense. He has made some outstanding defensive plays.
He has also made some very bad throws from shortstop and his fielding the last week has been commensurate to his slump at the plate. A good players does NOT take his lack of hitting out to the field with him, and a great player does not keep failing time after time when he comes to bat with men on base.. A third position hitter on June 13 with only 23 RBI's? Disgusting!!!!!!
Quote from: Schloicka on June 13, 2017, 07:09:25 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on June 13, 2017, 06:58:20 PM
Despite his HR yesterday Hanley isn't exactly tearing up opposing pitchers.
Okay Price got out of the inning but he didn't look either confident or impressive doing it.
Hitting .220 in June and hitting .193 with runners in scoring position for the year.
Disappointed in Hanley right now and hope he gets his shit together. IMHO, I think his role as taking a leadership role has fractured his outlook and there is no doubt in my mind that he is NOT healthy. We should also bring Sam Travis back up and stop this shit about worrying about salary and contract. We need hitting and Sam proved he can hit up here.
The pen does the job for the 2nd game in a row. Offense goes dead from innings 4 - 11. Surreal that we are struggling to beat the worst team in baseball. Is our record deceptive or something? The Lively kid out-pitched $$$$Price.
As DAD would say, "SON, nothing to write home about, but another one that we don't have to win in September" !! thumb_u iono
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 13, 2017, 11:25:04 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on June 13, 2017, 04:00:32 PM
Fred I disagree about Xander's defense. He has made some outstanding defensive plays.
He has also made some very bad throws from shortstop and his fielding the last week has been commensurate to his slump at the plate. A good players does NOT take his lack of hitting out to the field with him, and a great player does not keep failing time after time when he comes to bat with men on base.. A third position hitter on June 13 with only 23 RBI's? Disgusting!!!!!!
Again I disagree. While he has had problems in the past, he stopped that hiccup when he throws and made some outstanding plays last night. His hitting though continues to bother me. He does get to the ball but the way he lunges at the ball robs him of power but he is a good hitter just not one with much power. He certainly doesn't belong in the third slot. The problem is they don't have a classic hitter to put in the third slot.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 13, 2017, 11:25:04 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on June 13, 2017, 04:00:32 PM
Fred I disagree about Xander's defense. He has made some outstanding defensive plays.
He has also made some very bad throws from shortstop and his fielding the last week has been commensurate to his slump at the plate. A good players does NOT take his lack of hitting out to the field with him, and a great player does not keep failing time after time when he comes to bat with men on base.. A third position hitter on June 13 with only 23 RBI's? Disgusting!!!!!!
Not only has he made some great defensive plays - and I've always faulted him on his defense - he's still 5th in the league in batting. Bogaerts is the least of our problems (although trying to steal 3rd with nobody out is really dumb). Price has that fear of a guy putting the ball in play. All of these guys think they can try to get major leaguers to swing at bad pitches. Go after these guys! They can't hit as it is, so let them try to put it in play and let your defense go to work.
Quote from: longgame on June 14, 2017, 08:25:37 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 13, 2017, 11:25:04 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on June 13, 2017, 04:00:32 PM
Fred I disagree about Xander's defense. He has made some outstanding defensive plays.
He has also made some very bad throws from shortstop and his fielding the last week has been commensurate to his slump at the plate. A good players does NOT take his lack of hitting out to the field with him, and a great player does not keep failing time after time when he comes to bat with men on base.. A third position hitter on June 13 with only 23 RBI's? Disgusting!!!!!!
Not only has he made some great defensive plays - and I've always faulted him on his defense - he's still 5th in the league in batting. Bogaerts is the least of our problems (although trying to steal 3rd with nobody out is really dumb). Price has that fear of a guy putting the ball in play. All of these guys think they can try to get major leaguers to swing at bad pitches. Go after these guys! They can't hit as it is, so let them try to put it in play and let your defense go to work.
Absolutely right on target regarding both Bogaerts and Price. Price looked like he had no confidence in his stuff.
Truth be told IPOT and Elk, I have had an animus for Bogaerts for a long time. I'm thoroughly convinced that this is the last guy I want up at the plate with a game on the line and have been of that belief since his pathetic performance in that Home Opening Series vs Milwaukee in 2014 that started our spinning out of control for the next two years. Perhaps I am not giving him credit for some of the plays he has made and for that I stand down and take the blame. However, HE IS NOT A NO. 3 HITTER, HE CANNOT HIT IN THE CLUTCH OR WITH MEN ON BASE and his power seems non existent. The Red Sox bat him third---AND HE IS NOT A THIRD HITTER IN ANY SENSE OF THE WORD BECAUSE OF HIS TOTAL LACK OF POWER AND HIS EVEN MORE TOTAL INABILITY TO DRIVE IN RUNS.
Perhaps by next year Andrew Benintendi might be just the guy to bat in the No. 3 slot but right now I would get Mookie Betts out of leadoff, put Pedroia there, Bogaerts at second and Mookie at third or fourth. That batting order of ours sucks in my opinion.
Calling out a RAW 21 year rookie on his home debut Album IMHO is way overboard. Just wondering how many young kids come to the BIGS and shine on opening day and continue to have a good career at age 24? I am certain you were singing praises towards him last season. Consistency in fans is as important as it is in players. Can't have it both ways.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on June 14, 2017, 02:43:26 PM
Calling out a RAW 21 year rookie on his home debut Album IMHO is way overboard. Just wondering how many young kids come to the BIGS and shine on opening day and continue to have a good career at age 24? I am certain you were singing praises towards him last season. Consistency in fans is as important as it is in players. Can't have it both ways.
Well he did finally drive in some runs tonight for a change and maybe that will shut me up Rob if he can continue to hit when it counts from here on in.