GAME #70 - WEDNESDAY, JUNE 22, 2022 - DETROIT TIGERS @ BOSTON RED SOX

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longgame

Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on June 23, 2022, 03:17:22 PM
So Downs was up for three days, then optioned to Wooster.  Coming off the IL for the Cleveland game is Arroyo. Kike' is still ailing, so it was Arroyo.

And Duran isn't Vaxxed so he can't go to Toronto after the Cleveland series.

MongoLikeSox

Quote from: longgame on June 23, 2022, 04:30:47 PM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on June 23, 2022, 03:17:22 PM
So Downs was up for three days, then optioned to Wooster.  Coming off the IL for the Cleveland game is Arroyo. Kike' is still ailing, so it was Arroyo.

And Duran isn't Vaxxed so he can't go to Toronto after the Cleveland series.
It's a one way door, too, according to what I read this morning. (I've not checked on it to see if it's true.) Supposedly,  we can add someone not on the 40-man to the Roster to replace a COVID absence, but when the player is back, the replacement has to be DFA'd. So to replace Duran with a non 40-man roster guy might cost us a player we might oughta wanna otherwise keep. We already know we're thin. Could see Downs back up for 3 days so it doesn't come to that.

SeaBeachFred

Quote from: longgame on June 23, 2022, 04:30:47 PM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on June 23, 2022, 03:17:22 PM
So Downs was up for three days, then optioned to Wooster.  Coming off the IL for the Cleveland game is Arroyo. Kike' is still ailing, so it was Arroyo.

And Duran isn't Vaxxed so he can't go to Toronto after the Cleveland series.

That  was very stupid of Duran not getting vaxed.  Here we fans were clammoring for him to get a decent chance to show what he could do---and he has done it.  Now he risks falling back because he can't go to Toronto.  I just know Bloomer Boy and Cora are just itching to send him back to the minors "for more seasoning" so they can get  their Kiki and or Jackie back in the lineup with their piss poor hitting.   Still that sweep was good and it looks like we're playing good ball after a pathetic May.  Now the tough part begins and we will see if we are that kind of a team that will rise to the occasion and play every team we go up against tough and determined to take them on.

MongoLikeSox

Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 23, 2022, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: longgame on June 23, 2022, 04:30:47 PM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on June 23, 2022, 03:17:22 PM
So Downs was up for three days, then optioned to Wooster.  Coming off the IL for the Cleveland game is Arroyo. Kike' is still ailing, so it was Arroyo.

And Duran isn't Vaxxed so he can't go to Toronto after the Cleveland series.

That  was very stupid of Duran not getting vaxed.  Here we fans were clammoring for him to get a decent chance to show what he could do---and he has done it.  Now he risks falling back because he can't go to Toronto.  I just know Bloomer Boy and Cora are just itching to send him back to the minors "for more seasoning" so they can get  their Kiki and or Jackie back in the lineup with their piss poor hitting.   Still that sweep was good and it looks like we're playing good ball after a pathetic May.  Now the tough part begins and we will see if we are that kind of a team that will rise to the occasion and play every team we go up against tough and determined to take them on.
Man, I've been mostly avoiding that topic because of it's obvious political overtones. It stinks when baseball and politics overlap. It is what it is, I guess. I can only imagine how poorly some of their team mates think about the three Rookies not getting vaxed.  These kids are not taking one for the teams as others already have done already. I hope things go well in Toronto. This could get ugly on and off the field.

it cost Houck his coveted starting job. It's only desperation that lands him in a Closer's role. Who knows what it will cost Duran. Crawford might already be paying the price with his current demotion, though he does need some more time down there, IMO.

Stupid mess. I hope we don't go into skidmark mode like we did as we got ready for the previous trip to Toronto.

elktonnick

This takes "Taking one for the team" to a whole new level. As much as I like these players if I were one of their team mates I would have a hard time accepting their decision unless they had a damn good reason for doing so.

longgame

I just don't get why a guy like Duran would risk his playing time and limit the ability of the club to use him.  They go back there in the last week of the season too and will need to be at full strength.

elktonnick

I wonder whether these players refusal to get vaxxed would cause Bloom to dangle them as trade bait.  If both Toronto and Boston make the playoffs and the possibility of a playoff series between the two teams looms large they become useless and an impediment.   As much as I hate to say it I am in favor of trying to move these guys for quality vaccinated players in return.

MongoLikeSox

No bad points in the bunch, but this one is especially interesting. Remember, too, that Story had to 'vax in order to sign that deal. I was a deal breaker for the Sox. 
Quote from: elktonnick on June 24, 2022, 01:24:21 PM
I wonder whether these players refusal to get vaxxed would cause Bloom to dangle them as trade bait.  If both Toronto and Boston make the playoffs and the possibility of a playoff series between the two teams looms large they become useless and an impediment.   As much as I hate to say it I am in favor of trying to move these guys for quality vaccinated players in return.

SeaBeachFred

Quote from: MongoLikeSox on June 24, 2022, 01:53:43 PM
No bad points in the bunch, but this one is especially interesting. Remember, too, that Story had to 'vax in order to sign that deal. I was a deal breaker for the Sox. 
Quote from: elktonnick on June 24, 2022, 01:24:21 PM
I wonder whether these players refusal to get vaxxed would cause Bloom to dangle them as trade bait.  If both Toronto and Boston make the playoffs and the possibility of a playoff series between the two teams looms large they become useless and an impediment.   As much as I hate to say it I am in favor of trying to move these guys for quality vaccinated players in return.

Houck and Duran might have sealed their fate by not getting that shot.  In my honest opinion neither has ever been a favorite of either Cora or Bloom and it gives them the reason they need to jerk them around some more.  Then, again, it is their fault for not getting vaccinated.   I just hope  their loss in  Toronto and maybe even more if they're sent down doesn't impact the team negatively because we will have to replace them with players who simply are not as good as they are despite  their "veteran" status, and you know which position players and  pitchers I'm talking about.