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Title: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: markj on September 20, 2022, 08:05:00 AM
6:40PM Eastern

Red Sox

Brayan Bello (R)

1. Tommy Pham (R) LF
2. Rafael Devers (L) 3B
3. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS
4. J.D. Martinez (R) DH
5. Alex Verdugo (L) RF
6. Rob Refsnyder (R) CF
7. Enrique Hernandez (R) 2B
8. Yu Chang (R) 1B
9. Connor Wong (R) C

Reds

Nick Lodolo (L)

1. TJ Friedl (L) LF
2. Jonathan India (R) 2B
3. Kyle Farmer (R) 3B
4. Jake Fraley (L) DH
5. Donovan Solano (R) 1B
6. Aristides Aquino (R) RF
7. Nick Senzel (R) CF
8. Jose Barrero (R) SS
9. Austin Romine (R) C

Gametime Temp: 83°F
Chance of Precip: 0%
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: longgame on September 20, 2022, 11:44:36 AM
I like these early starts.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: SeaBeachFred on September 20, 2022, 02:22:00 PM
Quote from: markj on September 20, 2022, 08:05:00 AM
6:40PM Eastern

Red Sox

Brayan Bello (R)

Reds

Nick Lodolo (L)

Gametime Temp: 83°F
Chance of Precip: 0%

Well well, we get another chance to send out our "prized" prospect Bumbling babbling brayan bello so he can get the shit kicked out of him again.  He with the 1-6 record and pluse five ERA  and has showed us he can't control his pitches, gives up too many hits, cannot extricate himself from jams he gets into and seems to always come out on the short end of a decision.  Congrats scouts and pitching coaches for saddling us with another in a long series of duds for our pitching staff.  How about a housecleaning of our minor league pitching instructors who can't seem to instruct, teach or develop pitchers, or aren't you watching Prune Face Henry????????
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: longgame on September 20, 2022, 03:08:31 PM
Meanwhile a team like the Guardians play all rookies plus Ramirez and they're going to win their division.  Plus how many times do we run into the latest phenom on some other team?  Sox will blame it all on Dombrowski of course but that's old news.  If you don't have guys now and want to develop them, then you have to bring in free agents in the interim.  They don't seem to get the basics of running any kind of team. 
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: elktonnick on September 20, 2022, 03:45:30 PM
I understand Sox pitchers unloaded on Bloom.  It seems Henry's latest Tampa transpant.has lost the respect of his clubhouse.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: longgame on September 20, 2022, 06:26:17 PM
Nice job by Bello getting out of bases loaded with none out.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: longgame on September 20, 2022, 06:34:50 PM
Wow the CF really hit the wall hard on that ball by Martinez.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on September 20, 2022, 07:36:47 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on September 20, 2022, 03:45:30 PM
I understand Sox pitchers unloaded on Bloom.  It seems Henry's latest Tampa transpant.has lost the respect of his clubhouse.

I read that 12 years ago Bloom wrote "The Rays' Ways", 'how to develop quality, young pitchers'.  Tom Verduci said he was one of the best in the business in player development.  If all that was based on fact, he is none other than a planted agent seeking to destroy the Boston franchise.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: markj on September 20, 2022, 08:42:31 PM
Nice to see some dingers for a change.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: markj on September 20, 2022, 09:03:37 PM
Nothing is ever easy with this BP. Strahm is either going to walk in a run or give up a granny to tie it up.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: markj on September 20, 2022, 09:04:18 PM
Walked in a run. Bases still juiced, so a granny wins it now.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: markj on September 20, 2022, 09:11:20 PM
Amazing. They held on for the win.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: SeaBeachFred on September 20, 2022, 10:30:38 PM
Quote from: longgame on September 20, 2022, 06:26:17 PM
Nice job by Bello getting out of bases loaded with none out.

That was the first good sign I've seen from Bello in awhile. Getting out of a bases loaded no outs jam is a good sign from this guy....for a change.  But he still gives up too many hits and doesn't miss enough bats.  And this wasn't the Yankees or Astros we were facing.  Still he picked up a win so did the team.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: longgame on September 21, 2022, 07:44:32 AM
Quote from: markj on September 20, 2022, 08:42:31 PM
Nice to see some dingers for a change.

I get the Cincinnati broadcast, who by the way was great to listen to - a local announcer who had great chemistry with Barry Larkin with special guest Joey Votto who has been sitting in the booth as he recovers from injury.  Votto was talking about how it was a great ballpark to hit HRs in because it's so small, but it also takes away opportunities because the outfield wall is such a straight layout.  Point being, the warning track Sox of course could hit homers!  I didn't see Raffy's, but I know that Refsnyder's was gone anywhere. 
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on September 21, 2022, 07:56:15 AM
Bello has probably earned himself a spot on the 2023 starting rotation, maybe by default, as the returnees aren’t much.  Whitlock’s future looks more relief than starter.  He is done, now scheduled for a hip procedure.

Eovaldi could come back next week for one or two starts before he becomes a free agent.  The most value is probably Wacha.  It would be wise of Bloom to extend him, but he could be under orders to clean house, let Bogy walk,and trade Raffy (??).  Bloom/Henry are now totally unpredictable. The clubhouse is very wary of the next shoe(s) to drop.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: SeaBeachFred on September 21, 2022, 02:57:30 PM
Quote from: longgame on September 21, 2022, 07:44:32 AM
Quote from: markj on September 20, 2022, 08:42:31 PM
Nice to see some dingers for a change.

I get the Cincinnati broadcast, who by the way was great to listen to - a local announcer who had great chemistry with Barry Larkin with special guest Joey Votto who has been sitting in the booth as he recovers from injury.  Votto was talking about how it was a great ballpark to hit HRs in because it's so small, but it also takes away opportunities because the outfield wall is such a straight layout.  Point being, the warning track Sox of course could hit homers!  I didn't see Raffy's, but I know that Refsnyder's was gone anywhere.

Refsnyder has been vastly underrated and underappreciated by the Red Sox.  I think we may have something here and must not blow it.  I remember when he played for the Yankees and he had some pretty big days when given a chance.  As for McGuire, he has earned the right to fight for a starting job as catcher next year as he duels with Wong who still is of unknown quality.
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: longgame on September 21, 2022, 03:22:28 PM
McGuire has been hot since joining the Sox, but he's a backup guy who has a pretty mediocre record.  He seems to have a decent Caught Stealing rate and has shown very good situational hitting, but Sandy Leon was a stud at the plate for a short time too.  I'm not sure he's the every day guy and definitely not sure about Wong, especially after he got caught lobbing the ball back from his knees with a man on base (how the heck can someone do that at their stage in their career?)   Should be interesting to see what they do.  It's also hard to tell how well these guys do with the pitchers in a small sample and handling 25 different ones with all of the roster movement.  But yes, Refsnyder should be a great fourth OF or even compete with Verdugo for a starting position.  I'm assuming since we're stuck with Kike in CF, they have to go for a big bat in the OF though.  If they can figure out how to keep Bogey and Devers, then they have to worry about DH as far as offense goes.  It will be interesting to see where Hosmer fits in as Casas develops too. 

But there sure isn't much on the pitching side of the house I'd like to see return other than Wacha and Whitlock.  Maybe Houck.  If someone could solve Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Pivetta that could work.   I think we've all seen enough with the rest of that group.  Wouldn't it be interesting if the Sox could manage to get a full season out of a combination of Sale and Eovaldi where half of their pitching money goes?
Title: Re: GAME #147 - TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ CINCINNATI REDS
Post by: elktonnick on September 21, 2022, 04:02:31 PM
An outfield of Verdugo Hernandez Refsynder and one other.is not the outfield of a contending team.  Verdugo is an adequate slightly above average ballplayer who is unlikely to ever be selected as an All Star because of his shaky defense despite making the all star team in the old PCL.  Verdugo like Hernandez and Refsynder is attractive to someone like Bloom because of his versatility.  Bloom loves an outfield of Swiss Army Knives but not one good hunting knife in the bunch.