1:35PM Eastern
Red Sox
Chris Sale (L)
1. Jarren Duran (L) RF
2. Rafael Devers (L) 3B
3. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS
4. J.D. Martinez (R) DH
5. Alex Verdugo (L) LF
6. Christian Vazquez (R) C
7. Franchy Cordero (L) 1B
8. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF
9. Jeter Downs (R) 2B
Yankees
Gerrit Cole (R)
1. DJ LeMahieu (R) 3B
2. Aaron Judge (R) CF
3. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
4. Gleyber Torres (R) 2B
5. Matt Carpenter (L) DH
6. Aaron Hicks (S) LF
7. Isiah Kiner-Falefa (R) SS
8. Tim Locastro (R) RF
9. Kyle Higashioka (R) C
Gametime Temp: 83°F
Chance of Precip: 2%
Sale gets nailed. That comeback didn't last long. He'll be done for the season again.
Devers throwing error cost them runs as well.
THIS will be a long, sad game . . .
SO FAR, JULY has been a bad month . . .
Sox fall apart. Sale toast. This team is screwed.
Darwinzon warming up? Oh goodie.
IF, IF, IF
IF DEVERS had cleanly thrown out the runner going home.
2 outs, no runs.
NEXT batter grounds out.
OUT of inning - no runs, no Aaron Hicks hitting a ball off Sale's finger . . .
I KNOW, no IFs in baseball - but, DANG IT.
THIS team teased me mid May - June.
THOUGHT, maybe, just maybe they could play well
and be in the wild card race all summer.
Jays look like they will win today.
Possible Rays will as well.
WE are sadly in 4th place in the AL EAST.
The Mariners and O’s ar playing lights out.
Todays game, what a punch in the gut.
I have to think this is it for this team. I was somewhat hopeful they could pull something together but the way they wilt in the face of anyone with a winning record is tough to watch. Then there's the whole part about this team just not being put together well. If Sale's finger is broken, there's not much chance we'll see him for at least 6 weeks. If it's only dislocated maybe 4? But that means they still don't have a rotation and the hopes for one depend on Eovaldi and Pivetta who has gone in the toilet and then hope Wacha and Hill are better than serviceable. Then there's the offense which has trouble getting going on too many nights. Downs hitting a HR was a nice upside, but getting nothing out of at least 2 guys, night after night, catches up with you. When it's only 3 guys hitting at all, forget about it.
So what do you do? This started on yesterday's thread I think, but someone has to go. Not sure if it's Cora as he has nothing to work with, but I don't think Henry can admit his mistake in hiring Bloom, who I consider a failure. If they plan to let Cora going, then start dealing. Everyone but Devers on the table at this point. Is there anyone else on this team that would upset you if you saw them in another uniform?
Quote from: longgame on July 17, 2022, 02:39:02 PM
I have to think this is it for this team. I was somewhat hopeful they could pull something together but the way they wilt in the face of anyone with a winning record is tough to watch. Then there's the whole part about this team just not being put together well. If Sale's finger is broken, there's not much chance we'll see him for at least 6 weeks. If it's only dislocated maybe 4? But that means they still don't have a rotation and the hopes for one depend on Eovaldi and Pivetta who has gone in the toilet and then hope Wacha and Hill are better than serviceable. Then there's the offense which has trouble getting going on too many nights. Downs hitting a HR was a nice upside, but getting nothing out of at least 2 guys, night after night, catches up with you. When it's only 3 guys hitting at all, forget about it.
So what do you do? This started on yesterday's thread I think, but someone has to go. Not sure if it's Cora as he has nothing to work with, but I don't think Henry can admit his mistake in hiring Bloom, who I consider a failure. If they plan to let Cora going, then start dealing. Everyone but Devers on the table at this point. Is there anyone else on this team that would upset you if you saw them in another uniform?
Well it will get worse before it gets better. Only everyday players under contract for 2023 are Verdugo, Duran, Devers, Story & I guess Dalbec. Team will need a complete rebuild if some of our free agents don't re-sign.
QuoteVerdugo, Duran, Devers, Story
Sounds like a good starting point.
Diekman pitches one inning and needs 39 pitches to do it while giving up 4 runs. I think JBJ had better numbers the other night.
The words from ESPN. Sale did suffer a break. As said above, I cant imagine coming out of an ASB after this.
Quote from: BoSoxFanNY on July 17, 2022, 01:15:10 PM
THIS will be a long, sad game . . .
You definitely called that one right. This is torture.
Ugh, outscored 27-3 in the last 2 games. That's as bad as it gets.
I lasted longer today than I should have.
The Sale getting nailed thing was a tough, butter pill to swallow. I don't really mean from a fan perspective so much as the emotional despair he's got to be going through right now.
I don't need to remind anyone of when both of these awful stretches happened this season. Things happen. They did not respond well and it spiraled out of control each time.
No depth is killing us. Injuries, etc. This might not be the team to trade the future on. Too many holes. We've seen this team falter big time twice, and each time was big swing disease from players pressing for various reasons.
I saw Sale and Eovaldi talking after Sale came back out to the pitcher's dugout area. He was laughing with Eovaldi about something. I'm not sure he's in that much emotional despair. The team, however, is another issue. After working their way up from the basement to 2nd place and now crashing down again, they have to be seriously bummed. Everyone was worried that they couldn't deal with this long AL East stint and it proved true.
Quote“I’m not broken anymore,†Sale said. “It’s different this year. It’s definitely different this year. That’s all I’ve really got to say.â€
Maybe not so different. sigh
In my humble opinion Chaim Bloom is guilt of baseball malpractice. Hetook ateam that was two games from the world series and DECONSTRUCTED it into a less than mediocre team with some legitimate major leagues but mostly Triple A players.
Quote from: elktonnick on July 17, 2022, 05:47:58 PM
In my humble opinion Chaim Bloom is guilt of baseball malpractice. Hetook ateam that was two games from the world series and DECONSTRUCTED it into a less than mediocre team with some legitimate major leagues but mostly Triple A players.
Build something with broken parts it’s likely to break. They’ve gone from the best Red Sox team ever in 2018 to wallowing around in pity.
Quote from: elktonnick on July 17, 2022, 05:47:58 PM
In my humble opinion Chaim Bloom is guilt of baseball malpractice. Hetook ateam that was two games from the world series and DECONSTRUCTED it into a less than mediocre team with some legitimate major leagues but mostly Triple A players.
What irks me in this, Henry will claim buyers remorse, not admit that Bloom is a failure, and then allow Bloom to sell off most of the Sox assets this year, then allow Bloom to be the architect of Boston 2023-2025. Insane.
Quote from: markj on July 17, 2022, 01:01:52 PM
Sale gets nailed. That comeback didn't last long. He'll be done for the season again.
A walking MASH unit all by himself. He'd done this year and I wonder just when the hell he is going to give us a decent season again. It isn't like we don't need him considering the shit we have for pitching, and boy or boy, didn't that glow of Friday night come tumbling down fast? Sad to say but this team stinks like a sewer at high tide. But Prune Face's pet, Bradshitley got a hit today so we will have to put up with him in the lineup for another mon th at least. Cordero must be sent down. He simply can't to anything now but strike out---three more times today. If he was a horse I'd shoot him.
Quote from: BoSoxFanNY on July 17, 2022, 01:15:10 PM
Devers throwing error cost them runs as well.
THIS will be a long, sad game . . .
SO FAR, JULY has been a bad month . . .
There's different opinions about Devers as a third baseman but I can see that he hasn't improved much there since he was b rought up in 2017. He is a DH and if he leaves the team that's what some smart team will do with him in my opinion. Then watch him hit 50 homers.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 17, 2022, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: longgame on July 17, 2022, 02:39:02 PM
I have to think this is it for this team. I was somewhat hopeful they could pull something together but the way they wilt in the face of anyone with a winning record is tough to watch. Then there's the whole part about this team just not being put together well. If Sale's finger is broken, there's not much chance we'll see him for at least 6 weeks. If it's only dislocated maybe 4? But that means they still don't have a rotation and the hopes for one depend on Eovaldi and Pivetta who has gone in the toilet and then hope Wacha and Hill are better than serviceable. Then there's the offense which has trouble getting going on too many nights. Downs hitting a HR was a nice upside, but getting nothing out of at least 2 guys, night after night, catches up with you. When it's only 3 guys hitting at all, forget about it.
So what do you do? This started on yesterday's thread I think, but someone has to go. Not sure if it's Cora as he has nothing to work with, but I don't think Henry can admit his mistake in hiring Bloom, who I consider a failure. If they plan to let Cora going, then start dealing. Everyone but Devers on the table at this point. Is there anyone else on this team that would upset you if you saw them in another uniform?
Well it will get worse before it gets better. Only everyday players under contract for 2023 are Verdugo, Duran, Devers, Story & I guess Dalbec. Team will need a complete rebuild if some of our free agents don't re-sign.
Those five players are a start and there is a little talent there but pitching, pitching and more pitching is needed. I nearly threw up when I saw the Red Sox draft a skinny weak hitting shortstop with their first round pick tonight (NO. 24) We already have Marcelo Mayer there within two or three years and Nick Yorke for either second or third if Devers leaves or becomes our DH. I like Verdugo, Story and Duran and I see them getting better but we have a lot of trash on this team. Cora and Bloom both have to go. One's a FRC and the other is a total clusterf#$k. Back up the truck and put Bradley and French Fry on first.
Quote from: elktonnick on July 17, 2022, 05:47:58 PM
In my humble opinion Chaim Bloom is guilt of baseball malpractice. Hetook ateam that was two games from the world series and DECONSTRUCTED it into a less than mediocre team with some legitimate major leagues but mostly Triple A players.
Trading a 30 homer , 100 RBI power hitter for a piece of shit like Bradley is reason enough to fire Bloom, a total incompetent, but if we let that FRC back at manager the job of rebuilding our team is still in jeopardy because it seems just about everything Cora does seems to blow up in his face. Both he and Bloom need to go and take Bradley and Cordero with them, each of whom is a favorite of both baboons posing as baseball men.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 17, 2022, 09:16:49 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 17, 2022, 05:47:58 PM
In my humble opinion Chaim Bloom is guilt of baseball malpractice. Hetook ateam that was two games from the world series and DECONSTRUCTED it into a less than mediocre team with some legitimate major leagues but mostly Triple A players.
Trading a 30 homer , 100 RBI power hitter for a piece of shit like Bradley is reason enough to fire Bloom, a total incompetent, but if we let that FRC back at manager the job of rebuilding our team is still in jeopardy because it seems just about everything Cora does seems to blow up in his face. Both he and Bloom need to go and take Bradley and Cordero with them, each of whom is a favorite of both baboons posing as baseball men.
Therein lies another problem, giving Bloom command of trades at the deadline. Bogey for a bag of balls? Since Sox are Zero for 2022 in series wins against ALEast, they are sure to be sellers next couple weeks. Bogey's agent Boras appears to be asking for 8/$240m. Henry's Sox wont pay that.
Interesting. The 8/$240M does not sound outrageous as some others we've seen around the league. He'll be 30 years old at the start of that contract. He still runs well and makes his plays. His age 37 season would be the last year of the contract. There's a lot of plus in this for the Red Sox.
This makes MUCH more since than that monster deal on David Price.
I can't imagine what Juan Soto must be thinking of himself at the moment. That's a lot of money to leave on the table.
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on July 18, 2022, 09:57:33 AM
Interesting. The 8/$240M does not sound outrageous as some others we've seen around the league. He'll be 30 years old at the start of that contract. He still runs well and makes his plays. His age 37 season would be the last year of the contract. There's a lot of plus in this for the Red Sox.
This makes MUCH more since than that monster deal on David Price.
I can't imagine what Juan Soto must be thinking of himself at the moment. That's a lot of money to leave on the table.
I think that's a reasonable contract and you have to weigh it against what you're going to get if you don't pay that for the most important part of your infield. Trevor Story may be a better fielder, but he's basically JBJ with a little pop.
Soto was looking at the average annual value and also probably wondering whether he wants to play 15 years losing in Washington. I bet he'd take that offer from the Yankees.
Quote from: longgame on July 18, 2022, 11:35:33 AM
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on July 18, 2022, 09:57:33 AM
Interesting. The 8/$240M does not sound outrageous as some others we've seen around the league. He'll be 30 years old at the start of that contract. He still runs well and makes his plays. His age 37 season would be the last year of the contract. There's a lot of plus in this for the Red Sox.
This makes MUCH more since than that monster deal on David Price.
I can't imagine what Juan Soto must be thinking of himself at the moment. That's a lot of money to leave on the table.
I think that's a reasonable contract and you have to weigh it against what you're going to get if you don't pay that for the most important part of your infield. Trevor Story may be a better fielder, but he's basically JBJ with a little pop.
Soto was looking at the average annual value and also probably wondering whether he wants to play 15 years losing in Washington. I bet he'd take that offer from the Yankees.
I agree with all of that. The AAV was the obvious negative to me on Soto's deal, but that's a LOT of risk for ensuring no freak blood disease like Rocco Baldelli had, or an injury or whatever it was that Albert Belle had that ended his career.
Then again, he just needs to enter and win 440 more home run derbies and he's there. LOL
LOL, But seriously, he'll be looking at what $35M per year for 10 years? I think he'll manage to get by with that. What I don't get with a lot of these guys is how they miss out on the sponsorship money that comes with staying in one place and being a stud. Maybe that money just doesn't move the needle any more but it seems like Ortiz for instance is everywhere. I would think you could make a lot more for the rest of your life if you commit to a team and become part of a city.
This week the Sox inquired about 1B Dominic Smith of the Mets. A situational player, up and down to AAA, batting from.180 - .200. Dalbec may not be a Sox next week. It is what it is.
On the Bogey affair, if he is intent on rejecting all offers sand opt out, there are a couple SS available as free agents. Dansby Swanson and Trea Turner. Story stays at 2B. What is crazy for the fans, Swanson or Turner will cost close to what Bogey is asking for in salary and years.Alas this seems to be the look in all sports, constant turnover of the teams' star players.
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 21, 2022, 05:46:22 AM
This week the Sox inquired about 1B Dominic Smith of the Mets. A situational player, up and down to AAA, batting from.180 - .200. Dalbec may not be a Sox next week. It is what it is.
On the Bogey affair, if he is intent on rejecting all offers sand opt out, there are a couple SS available as free agents. Dansby Swanson and Trea Turner. Story stays at 2B. What is crazy for the fans, Swanson or Turner will cost close to what Bogey is asking for in salary and years.Alas this seems to be the look in all sports, constant turnover of the teams' star players.
A lefty bat that has slid down hard the past two years. As Eck would say, he fell out of his tree. This one is a Franchy replacement, if anything. This isn't exactly the splash that saves Bloom's Job. On the surface, at least.
We already have minor leaguers taking turn at 1B, why would they add another one? Just nuts.
Either get a real 1B or don't even try.
Bloom probably has Casas on his chess board. If no trades for 1B, Casas could appear by Sept. He's due back in Woosta this week from rehab, was hitting .248 when the ankle gave out.
Paxson revealed his target start is for mid-August.