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Title: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: markj on July 12, 2022, 08:48:07 AM
7:10PM Eastern

Red Sox

Chris Sale (L)

1. Jarren Duran (L) CF
2. Christian Vazquez (R) C
3. Rafael Devers (L) DH
4. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS
5. Alex Verdugo (L) LF
6. Trevor Story (R) 2B
7. Franchy Cordero (L) 1B
8. Bobby Dalbec (R) 3B
9. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) RF

Rays

Corey Kluber (R)

1. Yandy Diaz (R) DH
2. Harold Ramirez (R) RF
3. Christian Bethancourt (R) C
4. Isaac Paredes (R) 3B
5. Randy Arozarena (R) LF
6. Ji-Man Choi (L) 1B
7. Taylor Walls (S) SS
8. Yu Chang (R) 2B
9. Brett Phillips (L) CF

Gametime Temp: 88°F
Chance of Precip: 2%
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: markj on July 12, 2022, 08:48:48 AM
Sale vs Kluber. Back to the pros at last. Let's hope Sale is his former self.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on July 12, 2022, 08:56:39 AM
My concern is, can Sale go more than 4 innings. Pivetta only got 3.1 IP on Sunday.  Our pen is no doubt out of gas.  We need 10 runs every game.

Better news, Eovaldi looks to be slated the starter atNY on Friday. And Whitlock will also be added for that game. Those exiting are Valdez and Bello â€"- I’m guessing.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: longgame on July 12, 2022, 10:55:02 AM
Let's hope the A/V equipment is locked down!
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: Pumpsie Green on July 12, 2022, 12:37:15 PM
Quote from: markj on July 12, 2022, 08:48:48 AM
Sale vs Kluber. Back to the pros at last. Let's hope Sale is his former self.

Sale is still in the process of getting his feet wet again. I expect his control and command to be off and that we will need to score a bundle of runs if we are going to win this game. After another 5-6 starts we should have a better idea of what Sale has to offer us.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: longgame on July 12, 2022, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: Pumpsie Green on July 12, 2022, 12:37:15 PM
Quote from: markj on July 12, 2022, 08:48:48 AM
Sale vs Kluber. Back to the pros at last. Let's hope Sale is his former self.

Sale is still in the process of getting his feet wet again. I expect his control and command to be off and that we will need to score a bundle of runs if we are going to win this game. After another 5-6 starts we should have a better idea of what Sale has to offer us.

It will be interesting to see how he's throwing.  In Worcester he didn't have his usual command but was also throwing 97.  A lot of guys get a little giddyup after TJ surgery, but he'd be better off slinging it at 95 and putting it where he wants it to go.  Once he can do that he'll be ready to go.  I don't have much in the way of expectations but hope he can give us 5 innings without too much trouble.  But like you said, they'll need to score - and not cough up runs like last night. 
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on July 12, 2022, 07:22:10 PM
End of the 4th, no score. Sale has pitched well, giving 3 hits.  But the Sox have no hits so far.  There’s an old adage on Bosoxboard, ‘Sox never give Sale any run support’. Same as it ever was.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: markj on July 12, 2022, 08:05:49 PM
I don't believe what I just saw. Of all the stupid moves, what was Strahm thinking? He'll have time to think about that one during his stint on the IL. And then Cordero makes it worse. What a way to screw up a great comeback outing by Sale.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: longgame on July 12, 2022, 08:10:02 PM
Quote from: markj on July 12, 2022, 08:05:49 PM
I don't believe what I just saw. Of all the stupid moves, what was Strahm thinking? He'll have time to think about that one during his stint on the IL. And then Cordero makes it worse. What a way to screw up a great comeback outing by Sale.

That fell apart quick.  What a shame, Sale exceeded expectations and it was a good ballgame up until this inning.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: MongoLikeSox on July 12, 2022, 08:14:26 PM
and it all seemed to be going so well.....
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: markj on July 12, 2022, 08:19:40 PM
It's obviously Stupid Baseball Night at the Trop.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: MongoLikeSox on July 12, 2022, 08:32:13 PM
What a call by Cash, though. You don't see that hold the runner on 3rd play often. He took that play away and Cora bit anyhow. 3Bman got in the way, too, but Verdugo was a dead duck anyways.

Ort used for 3 straight nights. 3 pitches.

And Jermais just got on and said both out bruised players are getting xray'd later. Frickin groovy. I thought the big league parks all had that on site? There still could be serious injury implications. 
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: markj on July 12, 2022, 08:34:24 PM
Good inning for Schreiber.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: MongoLikeSox on July 12, 2022, 08:49:11 PM
So, Brasier comes out and looks like crap. he finally toughens up and pitches. One out away from getting out of it. Cora lifts him. Why doesn't he ever recognize when his struggling pitcher has recovered from the initial crap outing? It's like he makes up his mind when he gets someone warming up and that's the end of it. Brasier had just thrown a great slider and as good a heater as can be asked of him.

And nobody thought to reign in or otherwise coach our new #2 hitter with the 1st baserunner of the game. 1st pitch GIDP. Vasquez can be so great at one moment and so boneheaded at other times.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: markj on July 12, 2022, 09:01:31 PM
That was a game they should have won and didn't because of one dumb move after another.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: MongoLikeSox on July 12, 2022, 09:07:55 PM
including the one not made. No JDM for Franchy against a lefty with Downs on base. Pfffftttttt!!!  I'm sure that day's rest will help later. Impossible to overstate this as a Cora fail.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: SeaBeachFred on July 12, 2022, 09:26:01 PM
Cora has completely lost it.  Conservatively I estimate that the FRC has cost us about five games this season with some of the dumbest moves a manager can make.  For him things are now more than having to even things out since 2018.  He has become a stubborn jackass like where was JDM  tonight? Think we couldn't have used his bat in one run game or biting and forcing the game when the Rays MGR held the runner on third and Cora still challenged it by having Verdugo try to score on a play that was impossible to make successful.  The good felling from Sunday has now dissipated and we had better not think we have a chance for a WC.  Between Cora's stupidity and the lack of clutch hitting from his charges we will most likely get swept tomorrow.  Time to rebuild because we are not going far with this shithole bullpen, especially when used people who do NOT pitch well when they come in with inherited runners.  Sad to say but this is a shitty team led by a totally shitty manager who has the Mark of Cain on his body as the filthy rotten cheater that he is.  Bloom must be allowed to pick his own manager after this season.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: SeaBeachFred on July 12, 2022, 09:29:04 PM
Quote from: markj on July 12, 2022, 08:34:24 PM
Good inning for Schreiber.

Schreiber has been very effective for the most part but the FRC for some reason either doesn't have confidence in him or has picked out another favorite or two for his mad experimentation.......like who he can pick to replace his favorite Robles----Valdez, Brasier, or some other stiff.  WE are done.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: MongoLikeSox on July 13, 2022, 08:15:57 AM
Does anyone know how the Story and Strahm X-Ray visits went?

I am only repeating myself, but this ideal that is the Franchy Cordero upside is one that's affected at least 5 ballgames at 1B since mid-way through the previous road trip. His defensive prowess in the IF is not a slump. It's a tradition that spans his entire professional career. 5 ballgames in the past 2-3 weeks have been affected by his bad play. It has to stop now. You can't hide that kind of bad on the infield.



Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: longgame on July 13, 2022, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on July 13, 2022, 08:15:57 AM
Does anyone know how the Story and Strahm X-Ray visits went?

I am only repeating myself, but this ideal that is the Franchy Cordero upside is one that's affected at least 5 ballgames at 1B since mid-way through the previous road trip. His defensive prowess in the IF is not a slump. It's a tradition that spans his entire professional career. 5 ballgames in the past 2-3 weeks have been affected by his bad play. It has to stop now. You can't hide that kind of bad on the infield.
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Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: MongoLikeSox on July 13, 2022, 12:24:11 PM
Apparently JDM was out with a back pain issue. That would explain that bit of game management.
Title: Re: GAME #88 - TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2022 - BOSTON RED SOX @ TAMPA BAY RAYS
Post by: SeaBeachFred on July 13, 2022, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on July 13, 2022, 08:15:57 AM
Does anyone know how the Story and Strahm X-Ray visits went?

I am only repeating myself, but this ideal that is the Franchy Cordero upside is one that's affected at least 5 ballgames at 1B since mid-way through the previous road trip. His defensive prowess in the IF is not a slump. It's a tradition that spans his entire professional career. 5 ballgames in the past 2-3 weeks have been affected by his bad play. It has to stop now. You can't hide that kind of bad on the infield.

Mongo, this is a simple thing.......if Franchy Cordero is hitting a ton and driving in runs the Red Sox can gag and try and man it up with him at first.  If he is NOT doing that kind of hitting, and I mean real productive hitting, he is a waste of time and a detriment to the team.  However, he is one of Bloom's trades and I suspect he will be given all the time needed to straighten himself out at first base even if he hurts the team.  I can't speak for other teams since I don't follow them but it seems like Cora and Blom have their personal favorites and in our case it has hurt our team severely over the past few years.  If this season ends as it seems to be heading those two boobs have to be kicked out of Boston, that is, if Henry will come out of his stupor and take real charge of the team and start spending money on solid talent as a big market team should do instead of trying to win on the cheap.  As I said last week, a 2013 season comes around about once a century.