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Title: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: longgame on January 16, 2024, 12:50:40 PM
Well they finally admitted it.  Here's a link to comments Breslow made. 

https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1747306690263781564/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1747306690263781564/photo/1)

TLDR: ownership is supportive of winning asap, but...just not right now, they're going to wait five or six years.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on January 16, 2024, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: longgame on January 16, 2024, 12:50:40 PM
Well they finally admitted it.  Here's a link to comments Breslow made. 

https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1747306690263781564/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1747306690263781564/photo/1)

TLDR: ownership is supportive of winning asap, but...just not right now, they're going to wait five or six years.

Ted, that just about describes where Boston sits in mid-Jan.  I don't think that was the plan starting out, but they seem to be in a box.  To get a free-agent pitcher, all those good ones are controlled by Boras.  He wants 6-7 years and 200mil for his guys.  If the Sox are looking at a trade, the partners look at Boston as desperate and want about all their top prospects for one starting pitcher.  That would be giving Mayer, Teel, or Anthony -- two of the three and others. 

Boston Mgt is in a pickle, and their wallet says no way.  On to 2025.  My guess is they pick up another ChicagoWS pitcher, like Clevenger (yikes) Ryu or go to another year of Paxton.  The last two guys are also Boras controlled.  The fans will be aghast.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: SeaBeachFred on January 16, 2024, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on January 16, 2024, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: longgame on January 16, 2024, 12:50:40 PM
Well they finally admitted it.  Here's a link to comments Breslow made. 

https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1747306690263781564/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1747306690263781564/photo/1)

TLDR: ownership is supportive of winning asap, but...just not right now, they're going to wait five or six years.

Ted, that just about describes where Boston sits in mid-Jan.  I don't think that was the plan starting out, but they seem to be in a box.  To get a free-agent pitcher, all those good ones are controlled by Boras.  He wants 6-7 years and 200mil for his guys.  If the Sox are looking at a trade, the partners look at Boston as desperate and want about all their top prospects for one starting pitcher.  That would be giving Mayer, Teel, or Anthony -- two of the three and others. 

Boston Mgt is in a pickle, and their wallet says no way.  On to 2025.  My guess is they pick up another ChicagoWS pitcher, like Ryu or go to another year of Paxton.  The fans will be aghast.

I won't be aghast because I saw this coming.  Henry was diddling around the past three or four years and in that time they could have produced a farm system that was starting to get real productive by now, but they either drafted poorly or they simply didn't want to spend the money for quality talent.  Well I know where I will be  this summer, AND IT WON'T BE AT FENWAY PARK.  I'll be with my wife and grandkids traveling and seeing the sites in our state and also saving some money for when the Red Sox are more than just a sick joke.  When they start winning and showing that they are now "ALL IN" that's when land at Logan Airport with the look of the beast of prey anticipating that the Red Sox are the Red Sox again and ready and willing to annihilate their enemies.  And that's when I will spend my hard earned money for a trip to see my team. Anyone who does it differently and still spends their money to see these clowns play, well, to each his own.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: longgame on January 17, 2024, 07:59:07 AM
The delusion continues, Baghdad Tom Werner said they were competitive on Yamamoto (they weren't) and that "full throttle" wasn't an artful way of saying tinkering on the edges and making no real moves.

Stop lying to the fans and say it - we think we have a window when these guys come up in 2 or 3 years and we'll have 4 or 5 years with these guys before we let them go.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on January 17, 2024, 08:38:37 AM
I am becoming more and more removed from believing pro teams have any buy-in.  In the NFL playoffs there were too many teams that did not really show up to play a competitive playoff game.  Relating back to last years baseball ALDS and ALCS, a few of the well stocked teams did not show much against some very average teams.  I think this enigma has spread to ownership groups like Boston for one, certainly the Brewers, who have offered up practically their entire roster for trade.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: longgame on January 17, 2024, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on January 17, 2024, 08:38:37 AM
I am becoming more and more removed from believing pro teams have any buy-in.  In the NFL playoffs there were too many teams that did not really show up to play a competitive playoff game.  Relating back to last years baseball ALDS and ALCS, a few of the well stocked teams did not show much against some very average teams.  I think this enigma has spread to ownership groups like Boston for one, certainly the Brewers, who have offered up practically their entire roster for trade.

There's so much money in it that winning and losing doesn't matter as much.  Let's relegate the Sox to AAA for a few years to see if they can understand the importance of winning.

The NFL playoff game on Peacock is a great example of where we are.  The NFL is traditionally readily available on popular and available channels every week.  Now all of a sudden the put a playoff game on a paid channel.  At least when MLB did this it was regular season and I took a three month free trial subscription.  No such option for Peacock.  What a deal for streaming services to get paid by the customers and by advertisers.  The owners of these teams think everyone else is as rich as they are.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: longgame on January 18, 2024, 08:07:16 AM
We need Ted Koppel to do "Red Sox Nation Held Hostage - Day 78".  Another day with no action.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: SeaBeachFred on January 18, 2024, 06:55:55 PM
Apparently John Henry and his pack of flunkies running the show think they can get away with turning our team into another shit show this coming season......and you know what???  They can get away with it if the pink hats and boot lickers pack the park in a show of loyalty to an organization that is selling them down the river.  The only answer we have to this flagrant destruction of our team is to stay away, don't go to Fenway, don't tune in to NESN or follow their games on TV, refuse to buy any Red Sox gear whether jerseys, tee shirts, hats, etc.  JUST BOYCOTT!!!!.  I know it will hurt to do that but what choice to we have?  We have finished last three of the last four seasons, looks like it will be four of five in 2024, and that would make it seven times in 13 seasons going back to 2012.  Our team doesn't give a rip about winning, only making money for future investments in other sports while their main business is on hold thinking they can keep expanding elsewhere and we'll just go along with what they're doing.  We need to make it hurt bad for them to wake up and understand that we have a right to see our team compete for a playoff sport EVERY @#$%&?! YEAR.  Sorry for the rant but I think some of you out there agree with me.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on January 18, 2024, 08:18:05 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on January 18, 2024, 06:55:55 PM
Apparently John Henry and his pack of flunkies running the show think they can get away with turning our team into another shit show this coming season......and you know what???  They can get away with it if the pink hats and boot lickers pack the park in a show of loyalty to an organization that is selling them down the river.  The only answer we have to this flagrant destruction of our team is to stay away, don't go to Fenway, don't tune in to NESN or follow their games on TV, refuse to buy any Red Sox gear whether jerseys, tee shirts, hats, etc.  JUST BOYCOTT!!!!.  I know it will hurt to do that but what choice to we have?  We have finished last three of the last four seasons, looks like it will be four of five in 2024, and that would make it seven times in 13 seasons going back to 2012.  Our team doesn't give a rip about winning, only making money for future investments in other sports while their main business is on hold thinking they can keep expanding elsewhere and we'll just go along with what they're doing.  We need to make it hurt bad for them to wake up and understand that we have a right to see our team compete for a playoff sport EVERY @#$%&?! YEAR.  Sorry for the rant but I think some of you out there agree with me.

Fred, I am beginning to look into alternatives this spring.  Trying to follow the Red Sox ship every day, leaking water as it is, is downright depressing.  I'm thinking of NCAA baseball, SEC and ACC, and I saw a hockey game this week for the first time in a long time.  There is also a White Sox AAA club that plays up in Charlotte.  These are desperate times, and I hate to see some of the Sox regulars like Casas and Devers have to struggle through another brutal season.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: longgame on January 19, 2024, 07:36:25 AM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on January 18, 2024, 08:18:05 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on January 18, 2024, 06:55:55 PM
Apparently John Henry and his pack of flunkies running the show think they can get away with turning our team into another shit show this coming season......and you know what???  They can get away with it if the pink hats and boot lickers pack the park in a show of loyalty to an organization that is selling them down the river.  The only answer we have to this flagrant destruction of our team is to stay away, don't go to Fenway, don't tune in to NESN or follow their games on TV, refuse to buy any Red Sox gear whether jerseys, tee shirts, hats, etc.  JUST BOYCOTT!!!!.  I know it will hurt to do that but what choice to we have?  We have finished last three of the last four seasons, looks like it will be four of five in 2024, and that would make it seven times in 13 seasons going back to 2012.  Our team doesn't give a rip about winning, only making money for future investments in other sports while their main business is on hold thinking they can keep expanding elsewhere and we'll just go along with what they're doing.  We need to make it hurt bad for them to wake up and understand that we have a right to see our team compete for a playoff sport EVERY @#$%&?! YEAR.  Sorry for the rant but I think some of you out there agree with me.

Fred, I am beginning to look into alternatives this spring.  Trying to follow the Red Sox ship every day, leaking water as it is, is downright depressing.  I'm thinking of NCAA baseball, SEC and ACC, and I saw a hockey game this week for the first time in a long time.  There is also a White Sox AAA club that plays up in Charlotte.  These are desperate times, and I hate to see some of the Sox regulars like Casas and Devers have to struggle through another brutal season.

We should grab Mongo and check out the Knights, or head up his way to see the Bulls.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: SeaBeachFred on January 19, 2024, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: longgame on January 19, 2024, 07:36:25 AM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on January 18, 2024, 08:18:05 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on January 18, 2024, 06:55:55 PM
Apparently John Henry and his pack of flunkies running the show think they can get away with turning our team into another shit show this coming season......and you know what???  They can get away with it if the pink hats and boot lickers pack the park in a show of loyalty to an organization that is selling them down the river.  The only answer we have to this flagrant destruction of our team is to stay away, don't go to Fenway, don't tune in to NESN or follow their games on TV, refuse to buy any Red Sox gear whether jerseys, tee shirts, hats, etc.  JUST BOYCOTT!!!!.  I know it will hurt to do that but what choice to we have?  We have finished last three of the last four seasons, looks like it will be four of five in 2024, and that would make it seven times in 13 seasons going back to 2012.  Our team doesn't give a rip about winning, only making money for future investments in other sports while their main business is on hold thinking they can keep expanding elsewhere and we'll just go along with what they're doing.  We need to make it hurt bad for them to wake up and understand that we have a right to see our team compete for a playoff sport EVERY @#$%&?! YEAR.  Sorry for the rant but I think some of you out there agree with me.

Fred, I am beginning to look into alternatives this spring.  Trying to follow the Red Sox ship every day, leaking water as it is, is downright depressing.  I'm thinking of NCAA baseball, SEC and ACC, and I saw a hockey game this week for the first time in a long time.  There is also a White Sox AAA club that plays up in Charlotte.  These are desperate times, and I hate to see some of the Sox regulars like Casas and Devers have to struggle through another brutal season.

We should grab Mongo and check out the Knights, or head up his way to see the Bulls.

If I lived in that area I would be more than happy to join you.  Nothing out here to root for this season.  I can't stand the Dodgers and the Angels are an embarrassment.  Then again, that pretty much sounds like our team, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on January 20, 2024, 07:46:39 AM
Quote from: longgame on January 19, 2024, 07:36:25 AM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on January 18, 2024, 08:18:05 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on January 18, 2024, 06:55:55 PM
Apparently John Henry and his pack of flunkies running the show think they can get away with turning our team into another shit show this coming season......and you know what???  They can get away with it if the pink hats and boot lickers pack the park in a show of loyalty to an organization that is selling them down the river.  The only answer we have to this flagrant destruction of our team is to stay away, don't go to Fenway, don't tune in to NESN or follow their games on TV, refuse to buy any Red Sox gear whether jerseys, tee shirts, hats, etc.  JUST BOYCOTT!!!!.  I know it will hurt to do that but what choice to we have?  We have finished last three of the last four seasons, looks like it will be four of five in 2024, and that would make it seven times in 13 seasons going back to 2012.  Our team doesn't give a rip about winning, only making money for future investments in other sports while their main business is on hold thinking they can keep expanding elsewhere and we'll just go along with what they're doing.  We need to make it hurt bad for them to wake up and understand that we have a right to see our team compete for a playoff sport EVERY @#$%&?! YEAR.  Sorry for the rant but I think some of you out there agree with me.

Fred, I am beginning to look into alternatives this spring.  Trying to follow the Red Sox ship every day, leaking water as it is, is downright depressing.  I'm thinking of NCAA baseball, SEC and ACC, and I saw a hockey game this week for the first time in a long time.  There is also a White Sox AAA club that plays up in Charlotte.  These are desperate times, and I hate to see some of the Sox regulars like Casas and Devers have to struggle through another brutal season.

We should grab Mongo and check out the Knights, or head up his way to see the Bulls.

Ted, there is a Knights-Worcester series coming up on May 28 for six games.  Maybe Mongo could get down to one of those.  Or I'd welcome a trip up to the Bulls.  May is past the heavy weather season in the Carolinas.  lol.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: longgame on January 22, 2024, 07:27:59 AM
Sounds good!  Let’s keep it in mind as the season gets closer.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: MongoLikeSox on January 24, 2024, 02:32:53 PM
How about Banana Ball if they come to Durham again this year?   ;D

I've been quiet on the Red Sox front for a few weeks. I'm not giving Ops management a free pass. They are the ones who got us into this mess to begin with. This team is not fit to invest in, and it's Management's fault. There is so much that is wrong with the Red Sox approach to EVERYTHING that it's difficult to hold out any hope that what few positive signs of anything will last into 2024 and beyond.

The growth in the farm system is all we have going forward. To trade that away for a couple of starting pitchers in an effort to improve a team that can't even catch the ball has got to be the definition of throwing good money after bad. To that end, I applaud their resistance to sell out for 2024. I'll say it again, though, this is all their fault.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: SeaBeachFred on January 25, 2024, 03:08:32 PM
From the lack of verbal action on this board of late I'm beginning to believe that our group will taking a lot of time off around here as we have come to the sad conclusion that our team is going nowhere but to hell in hand basket in 2024.  We are already weaker than we were at the end of the 2023 season and it is obvious that owner Prune Face Henry is determined to hold on tightly to his wallet again.  Good to see however that the Boston press, even from the pruney owner Globe have not hesitated is hammering the guy for running the team into the ground.  I hope to travel to see some baseball this season but NOT  to Fenway Park for their now annual shit show.  Hopefully some of us can still keep in touch here or on the phone.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on January 25, 2024, 03:54:39 PM
The only thing I've seen as maybe a pulse in the Boston group, is that they prefer to stretch out Winchowski and Whitlock, to avoid buying a front-line pitcher.  That is not going to get the Sox too much out of 4th or 5th place in their division. 

One scribe thought we could afford Lorenzen, who I think was with Philly last year.  About a 3.85 era in 2023.  Unless Boras gets bored and lets Monty fall into Breslow's lap, a bridge year is already upon us.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: MongoLikeSox on January 26, 2024, 06:50:21 AM
It's somewhat ironic that Beltre gets elected into the HOF this week. Another 1-year vet who would have been great to keep. Perfect for Fenway and the lineup. I don't even recall why he signed elsewhere. Did we even try to keep him? I've long forgotten the details.

Here's an article on ownership in the Athletic. I don't think I've ever read her before, but she seems to understand our plight.
https://theathletic.com/5222001/2024/01/24/red-sox-craig-breslow-tom-werner-messaging/ (https://theathletic.com/5222001/2024/01/24/red-sox-craig-breslow-tom-werner-messaging/)
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: SeaBeachFred on January 26, 2024, 04:12:15 PM
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on January 26, 2024, 06:50:21 AM
It's somewhat ironic that Beltre gets elected into the HOF this week. Another 1-year vet who would have been great to keep. Perfect for Fenway and the lineup. I don't even recall why he signed elsewhere. Did we even try to keep him? I've long forgotten the details.

Here's an article on ownership in the Athletic. I don't think I've ever read her before, but she seems to understand our plight.
https://theathletic.com/5222001/2024/01/24/red-sox-craig-breslow-tom-werner-messaging/ (https://theathletic.com/5222001/2024/01/24/red-sox-craig-breslow-tom-werner-messaging/)

I haven't forgotten Mongo.  We did NOT even try to keep Beltre.  He was on a pillow contract for one year and one year only.  After he hit around 316, 28 homers and 102 RBI's, they still made no attempt to sign him long term.  Their eyes were on Adrian Gonzales for first base and Carl Crawford for left field and they paid through the nose for them both.  The only problem(s)?  One Gonzales was a poor fit for Boston despite his solid 2011 season.  He found it very hard to fit into the hub-bub and pressure fans in Boston displayed constantly, having been used to laid back San Diego and their then very losing ways.  Crawford was duplication because we already had his type in Boston in Jacoby Ellsbury, and the team was warned that Crawford didn't deal wi th the same hard nosed fans as Gonzales did.  Carl never came around and his fielding was less than stellar as well, muffing many balls hit to him including the one that drove the Sox out of the playoffs.  Both were traded for a re-do in late 2012 to a Dodger team than had new owners and wanted to start winning after many years of rot under the previous owner, a Bostonian.

Somehow it worked.....the Red Sox picked up a bunch of players from other teams, some free agents, some trades, but what was amazing is they blended in well with Papi, Pedroia, Ellsbury and Lester........Victorino, Koji, Gomes,  Napoli, Drew and a big comeback from John Lackey and POOF, we wound up winning the World Series in 2013.  Seems like eons ago.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: MongoLikeSox on January 27, 2024, 09:51:55 AM
Fred, not going after Beltre at all seems to ring a bell now that you wrote it all out. I do remember that Carl Crawford signing and my immediate feeling that it was about a moronic of a signing as there ever was. I was thrilled to get Gonzalez, though. Too bad it didn't work out so well.

That 2011-2012 team was as massive of a dysfunction as we've had. It cost us Terry Francona AND Theo Epstein. I still remember the big mid-season trade when we got rid of the 5 players that seemed to be at the center of attention. They were grinning ear to ear and looked as happy as one could be after being traded. I was even happier than they were. There were a few more that should have been jettisoned from what I recall.

This time around, though, I don't hold the disgruntlement and dysfunction against the players. This is all on ownership and the management staff they put and kept in place. It's clear that someone is running the show that does not know baseball. This is where I circle back to that Carl Crawford signing. Was that signing on Epstein, or is this an organizational decision that he was forced into? When I think about it, that fits the MO of present-day Red Sox thinking. We might have won two WS, but it's not been working for the most part.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on January 27, 2024, 10:12:08 AM
I had hopes that they had found a baseball genius in Breslow.  Alas, he is just a genius who once threw a baseball.  After all, turned down by ten other GMs probably cast a dim light on how limited Breslow is as the OPS guy.  He only had a peripheral experience to the inner workings of the Chicago front office.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: SeaBeachFred on January 27, 2024, 09:27:21 PM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on January 27, 2024, 10:12:08 AM
I had hopes that they had found a baseball genius in Breslow.  Alas, he is just a genius who once threw a baseball.  After all, turned down by ten other GMs probably cast a dim light on how limited Breslow is as the OPS guy.  He only had a peripheral experience to the inner workings of the Chicago front office.

Seems like all we do is hire dregs and losers.  I am not impressed with Breslow at all.  Maybe he will surprise us but so far he looks like a recycled Bloom/
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: MongoLikeSox on January 28, 2024, 07:09:40 AM
I've had a recurring thought about the pitching situation as it's tied to Bloom, Breslow and FSG. The thought is simply this. Why are we just now focusing on pitching by the creation of this pitching department, or whatever it's called? You'd think this would have been done as soon as they hired Bloom in 2019.

We hired Bloom to fix the farm, which included pitching. The Farm system did indeed grow under Bloom's tenure, but it was limited in pitching and our positional prospects' all around tool set has been inconsistent at best.

Fast forward to Autumn 2023. It seemed like job #1 for Breslow at the very beginning was to either create or greatly revamp a pitching department. He was hired for this. He had and spelled out a detailed plan. We saw and heard nothing of the sort from Bloom despite the Sox and Media's lust for Tampa style pitching success. We did hear of improving pitching depth over and over again. Beyond that, it seemed to me that pitching was mentioned only in a general sense,IIRC.   

Back to my thought on Bloom's and FSG's efforts to that end. Why wait until now? 1: Did Bloom want to establish the like, but was vetoed because of FSG's Pandemic Era financial restrictions? 2: Was the plan always simply just to do a better job with preexisting pitching development infrastructure? It doesn't add up when I try to make sense of it all.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: longgame on January 29, 2024, 11:55:25 AM
It's starting to look like the Sox are done for the Winter.  They don't appear to have any interest in Montgomery but the fact that the Rangers don't either may be is indicative of some risks.  Still, the guy is out there and pundits around the country from the CHB to The Athletic and others are scratching their heads on how the Sox ownership seems to be tanking the team.  Bello, Giolito and pray for rain-o.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on January 29, 2024, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: longgame on January 29, 2024, 11:55:25 AMIt's starting to look like the Sox are done for the Winter.  They don't appear to have any interest in Montgomery but the fact that the Rangers don't either may be is indicative of some risks.  Still, the guy is out there and pundits around the country from the CHB to The Athletic and others are scratching their heads on how the Sox ownership seems to be tanking the team.  Bello, Giolito and pray for rain-o.

Another indicator that the Sox have no interest in a top of the rotation choice to complete the roster, is evident that they are looking at two relievers  in the last few days, Jakob Junis and Ryne Stanek to complete the pitching.  The other flag, they admitted to the press that they were stretching out Winchowski and Whitlock, implying those two would become part of the rotation later on (end of April?).
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on January 30, 2024, 06:07:38 AM
According to Bob Nightengale Boros' asking price for one of his pitchers -- Blake Snell --- is $270/9.  The Yankees offered a paltry $150/6.

This week the Sox have passed on Justin Turner, who looks headed to Toronto.  Sox are having difficulty with getting to terms on OF Adam Duvall and now looking at Garrett Cooper to play 1B, OF as a righty bat. Cooper had a miserable year in Miami, with a .251 BA.

Folks, it is what it is.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: MongoLikeSox on January 30, 2024, 06:53:04 AM
At some point, the difference between Bobby Dalbec and some random aging schmuck hoping for  10-14HR, 33% K-Rate is going to be small enough that we just keep him for back up corner IF'er and occasional RF. Lots of games in Worcester last year and has a cannon. Tough to tell if he's any good out there or not, though.

I know this is not a popular notion around here, but I believe Turner is not a good fit for us. His true value is his bat. He's fielding has fallen off, and playing defense for any length of time dings him up, which costs AB's. Any day he DH's is a day we have to either sit Yoshida or play him in LF.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: MongoLikeSox on January 30, 2024, 06:58:46 AM
Quote from: longgame on January 19, 2024, 07:36:25 AM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on January 18, 2024, 08:18:05 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on January 18, 2024, 06:55:55 PMApparently John Henry and his pack of flunkies running the show think they can get away with turning our team into another shit show this coming season......and you know what???  They can get away with it if the pink hats and boot lickers pack the park in a show of loyalty to an organization that is selling them down the river.  The only answer we have to this flagrant destruction of our team is to stay away, don't go to Fenway, don't tune in to NESN or follow their games on TV, refuse to buy any Red Sox gear whether jerseys, tee shirts, hats, etc.  JUST BOYCOTT!!!!.  I know it will hurt to do that but what choice to we have?  We have finished last three of the last four seasons, looks like it will be four of five in 2024, and that would make it seven times in 13 seasons going back to 2012.  Our team doesn't give a rip about winning, only making money for future investments in other sports while their main business is on hold thinking they can keep expanding elsewhere and we'll just go along with what they're doing.  We need to make it hurt bad for them to wake up and understand that we have a right to see our team compete for a playoff sport EVERY @#$%&?! YEAR.  Sorry for the rant but I think some of you out there agree with me.

Fred, I am beginning to look into alternatives this spring.  Trying to follow the Red Sox ship every day, leaking water as it is, is downright depressing.  I'm thinking of NCAA baseball, SEC and ACC, and I saw a hockey game this week for the first time in a long time.  There is also a White Sox AAA club that plays up in Charlotte.  These are desperate times, and I hate to see some of the Sox regulars like Casas and Devers have to struggle through another brutal season.

We should grab Mongo and check out the Knights, or head up his way to see the Bulls.
I can't believe it. I just checked. Worcester does not travel to Durham this season. Worcester does host them this year, but no road trip. Grrrrr
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: longgame on January 30, 2024, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on January 30, 2024, 06:53:04 AMAt some point, the difference between Bobby Dalbec and some random aging schmuck hoping for  10-14HR, 33% K-Rate is going to be small enough that we just keep him for back up corner IF'er and occasional RF. Lots of games in Worcester last year and has a cannon. Tough to tell if he's any good out there or not, though.

I know this is not a popular notion around here, but I believe Turner is not a good fit for us. His true value is his bat. He's fielding has fallen off, and playing defense for any length of time dings him up, which costs AB's. Any day he DH's is a day we have to either sit Yoshida or play him in LF.

Turner is signing with the Blue Jays so we'll feel the brunt of that one all year.  But I agree, he doesn't fix a lot of the Sox' problems, especially since they need defensive flexibility and don't necessarily need a full time DH.

Intersting thought on Dalbec since it would be consistent with how the team is operating.  Cheap.

Worcester at Charlotte - May 28 through June 2.  Tickets are going fast!
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: SeaBeachFred on January 30, 2024, 12:39:53 PM
Ted---Since you are the "Administrator". does that mean you might be taking over this board when our chief leaves us after 2024?  I would hate to see this board go by the wayside since I'm not sure there are any others worthy of joining.  If there are I would like to know, but, still, it would be hard getting members who are as baseball savvy as this group is.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: longgame on January 31, 2024, 07:40:34 AM
Rosenthal - the Red Sox aren't even trying.

https://x.com/BOSSportsGordo/status/1752405204136251468?s=20

https://x.com/BOSSportsGordo/status/1752405204136251468?s=20 (https://x.com/BOSSportsGordo/status/1752405204136251468?s=20)
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on January 31, 2024, 03:13:24 PM
The only move that shows any semblance of a Bloom/Breslow move is their inclination to tinker around the current assets for pitchers.  That is to make Winchowski and Whitlock starters/openers (in a bullpen game), and beefing up the bullpen and  signing Andrew Bailey's project that he schooled at San Fran last year. and Breslow's young pitcher for the Cubs.  Those names are Junis and Stanek.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: longgame on January 31, 2024, 06:18:07 PM
Apparently the Sox had reached out to Turner and they didn't respond.  That guy loved Boston a year ago.

In the meantime Henry and Werner were part of a group investing $3 Billion in PGA/LIV.
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on February 01, 2024, 06:10:13 AM
Breslow woke up from a long winters nap and claimed 2B Romy Gonzalez who was put on waivers by ChiSox.  Gonzalez has been beset by injuries over three years, and had a 36% strikeout rate in his MLB experience.  Shows some power.  To make room they DFA'd Zach Weiss, a reliever.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/01/red-sox-claim-romy-gonzalez-waivers-white-sox-zack-weiss-dfa.html
Title: Re: Bridge Year(s)
Post by: SeaBeachFred on February 01, 2024, 12:56:57 PM
Gee Sea Dog, Romy Gonzales, a White Sox reject.  Wow, that should whet our appetites for the season to start. I have a word for Breslow.....YOU NEED TO RESIGN AND TAKE UP SOME OTHER LINE OF WORK.  You have become nothing more than an errand boy for the front office, no power, no ability to sign anyone of significance, and nothing much to show for your flailing around since you became head of BO.