7:05PM Eastern
Red Sox
Nick Pivetta (R)
1. Enrique Hernandez (R) 2B
2. Hunter Renfroe (R) CF
3. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS
4. Rafael Devers (L) 3B
5. J.D. Martinez (R) RF
6. Kevin Plawecki (R) DH
7. Alex Verdugo (L) LF
8. Bobby Dalbec (R) 1B
9. Christian Vazquez (R) C
Yankees
Andrew Heaney (L)
1. DJ LeMahieu (R) 2B
2. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
3. Aaron Judge (R) RF
4. Joey Gallo (L) LF
5. Giancarlo Stanton (R) DH
6. Rougned Odor (L) 3B
7. Gary Sanchez (R) C
8. Brett Gardner (L) CF
9. Andrew Velazquez (S) SS
Gametime Temp: 78°F
Chance of Precip: 6%
How about you guys in the Red Sox dugout go out there and show some pride and win a friggin' game for a change. Win despite having a horseshit manager who was complicit in our losing two games yesterday with some of the most pathetic managerial decisions I've seen in some time, the rotten filthy cheater.
This is really telling. It gives stats in high leverage situations (you can look up the definition) and the numbers are horrifying when you look at the regression. On the WRC+ stat the norm is 100. Sox hitters were at a 22.
https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1428031422552489989
(https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1428031422552489989)
JD in the field again. He looks bad and he can't watch video, makes him a net negative. I guess Schwarber still needs more time but it's kind of now or never.
Quote from: longgame on August 18, 2021, 02:09:44 PM
This is really telling. It gives stats in high leverage situations (you can look up the definition) and the numbers are horrifying when you look at the regression. On the WRC+ stat the norm is 100. Sox hitters were at a 22.
https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1428031422552489989
(https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1428031422552489989)
I think what is on the roster for the 21 Sox is not what Bloom envisions for the future of this franchise. The above stats notwithstanding. Bloom largely passed at the trade deadline was reason one, and he didn't want to risk "his plan". Before the season the team was ranked at having the 20th farm system. After the deadline, Boston is ranked 9th best along with the acquisition of prospects in four months. It was said Cubs wanted both our #1 and #3 for Rizzo.
Getting one or two productive players to fill the dead spots in Sox lineup in order to continue the stretch drive was either a failure or a decision that it was too high a price to disrupt a farm still trying to mature. And as of Aug 18 Schwarber is not a productive player yet. Surely the Boston press will weigh what he did right or wrong all winter.
WTF The Red Sox pitchers are so afraid to pitch to these guys. And why does Cora have JDM playing RF again . His misplay of a fly ball cost the Sox two runs.
Bobby D sucks at 1st base defense. Two misplays one by JDM and another by Dalbec really sunk Pivetta. Then Cora has no one covering 2nd base so he gave up an easy steal of 2nd. This team look demoralized poorly coached poor defensive lineup and playing about as sloppy as a team can play
Stunned beyond belief.
WTF has happened to this team?
Yankees will sweep this series.
Why didn't we get Anthony Rizzo?
He has helped them win at least 4 games.
Sox in third place . . .
The Yankees made up 10.5 games in 6 weeks.
Stunned, sad and so very disappointed . . .
Absolutely no fight in this team.
They are not even getting on base.
Seems like the closest chance they had to win a game
in this series was the first game . . .
Bases loaded, no outs = nothing.
THIS game, not getting any hits.
WTF????????????
They're toast. They'll be lucky to avoid ending the season in 4th place.
Any change for the future must begin with Alex Cora being disposed of as soon as the season is over. Here's why. One, he is a rotten filthy cheater who should never have been rehired as manager after he was first fired by the Prune. Secondly, he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and is always telling everyone that if we stay the course we will be just fine, forgetting that is what he said in Spring Training 2019 when he ran a kiddle corps training camp and insisted that when the season got well underway the team would hit its stride. It never did and we went from 108 regular season wins to 84 and just six above 500. Thirdly, he never admitted that he was wrong in the way he handled his failing ST routine. Fourth, the guy plays favorites as much as that seems hard to fathom. Look at the way he babied Marwin Gonzales, all the faith he bestowed on Danny Santana and how he played up Frenchy, now a three time loser with teams. Last but not least, repeated again.....HE IS A FILTHY ROTTEN GODDAMN CHEATER WHOSE VERY PRESENCE IS A STIGMA ON THE WHOLE FRANCHISE. Unless he is jettisoned and Bloom allowed to bring in his own man who we hope will not be engulfed with the hubris that Cora got after the 2018 season we will be talking the same shit about our team a year from now.
GET RID OF THAT BUM!!!!!!!!
Final score
Yankees 5 - Sox 2
IF Chapman had been on the mound in Game 1 or Game 2,
we might have had a chance to score.
SO MANY MISSED opportunities in the first two games.
How swiftly this team has lost its way.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 18, 2021, 09:59:48 PM
Any change for the future must begin with Alex Cora being disposed of as soon as the season is over. Here's why. One, he is a rotten filthy cheater who should never have been rehired as manager after he was first fired by the Prune. Secondly, he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and is always telling everyone that if we stay the course we will be just fine, forgetting that is what he said in Spring Training 2019 when he ran a kiddle corps training camp and insisted that when the season got well underway the team would hit its stride. It never did and we went from 108 regular season wins to 84 and just six above 500. Thirdly, he never admitted that he was wrong in the way he handled his failing ST routine. Fourth, the guy plays favorites as much as that seems hard to fathom. Look at the way he babied Marwin Gonzales, all the faith he bestowed on Danny Santana and how he played up Frenchy, now a three time loser with teams. Lat but not least, repeated again.....HE IS A FILTHY ROTTEN GODDAMN CHEATER WHOSE VERY PRESENCE IS A STIGMA ON THE WHOLE FRANCHISE. Unless he is jettisoned and Bloom allowed to bring in his own man who we hope will not be engulfed with the hubris that Cora got after the 2018 season we will be talking the same shit about our team a year from now.
GET RID OF THAT BUM!!!!!!!!
I don't disagree.
HOW or WHY did the team seemingly play so well in the first half of the season?
Many were crediting Cora's return. WTF has happened?
Was it never him? Was it the players?
As DAD would say , " SON , LIKE SAND THROUGH THE HOUR GLASS , SO ARE THE DAYS OF OUR RED SOX " !!!! thumb_d sigh sigh rofl rofl
Quote from: elktonnick on August 18, 2021, 07:13:46 PM
Bobby D sucks at 1st base defense. Two misplays one by JDM and another by Dalbec really sunk Pivetta. Then Cora has no one covering 2nd base so he gave up an easy steal of 2nd. This team look demoralized poorly coached poor defensive lineup and playing about as sloppy as a team can play
This was Bloom's Blunder in a microcosm. The Sox needed a 1B, they got a DH who plays sometimes. The Yankees got Rizzo. So sure enough Dablbec misplays a ball and Rizzo knocks in 2. Plus JDM should simply not be in RF, but I guess since nobody else can hit they have to find ways to get Plawecki's bat in the lineup (that last statement is the most telling, that he's currently their best hitter).
What a mess.
The sad thing was this game was over in the second inning as batter after batter was flummoxed by a really poor pitcher.
Think about if this situation had happened at work - the boss tells you "you've done a great job and if any of you are here in two years we plan to win then". This is like "you worked great on landing that big account but we think we'll land another account in two years to just do what you can but you've got no help from management". Bloom's Blunder was twofold. One the lack of meaningful activity (plus we got some really awful relivers) and second that he told the team "we don't want to win this year because we're going to win in 2023". I know he's not a kid, but has this guy followed baseball? Does he not know that when you're in a position to strike you do it?
Bloom's job was to be the closer. He had to make a move or two that would improve the team and instead managed to somehow hurt it.
As y’all have pointed out in great detail, this team was assembled in patchwork fashion, poorly managed at critical points in the season, and probably hung out to dry by management a few weeks ago. A third year of mediocre results, two on his watch, will cause Cora’s firing. He must take the fall, nobody in the FO will own up to this mess. The 2022 Sox will be a mystery team for writers to talk about in the off-season, yada yada.
WelL some good news from this quarter----MAYBE!!!!!! Today, August 19th is the 21st Anniversary of my becoming a Red Sox fan. On that date in 2000 on a final game of my first Sports Travel baseball tour I ATTENDED A RED SOX-RANGERS GAME AT FENWAY. PEDRO THREW SEVEN INNING OF SHUTOUT BALL IN A 9-0 BOSTON ROUT. i WALKED OUT OF FENWAY AND BECAME A RED SOX FAN ON THE SPOT. LOOKING AT IT TODAY i WONDER IF I DIDN'T TAKE ON A BURDEN OF MISERY THAT DRIVES ME UP A WALL ALMOST EVERY GAME.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2021, 10:42:51 AM
WelL some good news from this quarter----MAYBE!!!!!! Today, August 19th is the 21st Anniversary of my becoming a Red Sox fan. On that date in 2000 on a final game of my first Sports Travel baseball tour I ATTENDED A RED SOX-RANGERS GAME AT FENWAY. PEDRO THREW SEVEN INNING OF SHUTOUT BALL IN A 9-0 BOSTON ROUT. i WALKED OUT OF FENWAY AND BECAME A RED SOX FAN ON THE SPOT. LOOKING AT IT TODAY i WONDER IF I DIDN'T TAKE ON A BURDEN OF MISERY THAT DRIVES ME UP A WALL ALMOST EVERY GAME.
Good stuff, Fred. I had lunch with a veterans group today, and unfortunately I was blindsided by about three NYY fans, all native NY, who were cackling about a sweep of the Sox. As you said about the baked in misery for Sox fans. This is a lousy year among others I recall.
Happy Sox-aversary!
SeaDog, when I was a kid I grew up halfway between NY and Boston in Old Saybrook, CT. Half the town were Sox fans, the other half (the uneducated, slovenly ones) were Yankee fans. There were a smattering of Mets fans but nobody cared! Anyhow, especially during the summer of 78, it could get brutal. If the teams played, the fans of the losing team would call in sick the next day.
In 2004 my mother was in the hospital in New Haven during the ALCS. The whole floor had the games on. We went in the day after game 3 and all the Yankee fans had their hats and jackets on. Went in the day after Game 4 and it seemed like it was all Sox fans. It can be tough when forced to co-exist!
Ted, that's good to know some history. I've lived in New York state, but never Boston. I guess folks are forgetting we are 10-6 this year to the Yanks. But there are no good losses to NY, especially those at the end of they year.
We only have 9 games left with the Yanks and TB and about 30 against mediocre teams (Orioles, Rangers, Twins, Cleve, Nats, others) But this team shows no ability to beat any of the contending teams last two months. Not a good doctor's report if there is a team physician.
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on August 19, 2021, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2021, 10:42:51 AM
WelL some good news from this quarter----MAYBE!!!!!! Today, August 19th is the 21st Anniversary of my becoming a Red Sox fan. On that date in 2000 on a final game of my first Sports Travel baseball tour I ATTENDED A RED SOX-RANGERS GAME AT FENWAY. PEDRO THREW SEVEN INNING OF SHUTOUT BALL IN A 9-0 BOSTON ROUT. i WALKED OUT OF FENWAY AND BECAME A RED SOX FAN ON THE SPOT. LOOKING AT IT TODAY i WONDER IF I DIDN'T TAKE ON A BURDEN OF MISERY THAT DRIVES ME UP A WALL ALMOST EVERY GAME.
Good stuff, Fred. I had lunch with a veterans group today, and unfortunately I was blindsided by about three NYY fans, all native NY, who were cackling about a sweep of the Sox. As you said about the baked in misery for Sox fans. This is a lousy year among others I recall.
Right Sea Dog---and we Sox fans have to keep in mind that along with those four WS Titles out guys have brought home this century we also have gotten stuck with four last place finishes and to my way of thinking there is absolutely no excuse for a team like the RedSox having to have an equal number of last place finishes along with first place ones. As for those Yankee fans, times have never changed because Yankee fans are as insufferable today as they were back in the day when I was a pre-teenager in Queens and had to put up with those jokers in many of dthose heartbreaking October festivals as a then Dodger fan----1947, 1949, 1952, 1953----not to mention blown pennant titles to the Phillies and Giants along with that. This season they teased us Ted and then pulled the rug out from under us. If I was smart I would not follow them at all until August 1 of next season to see if they are for real. I don't want to get teased and lured into a trap once more. I owe you a call my friend.
Chad Jennings in today's Athletic echoed our position namely that the game was lost when Cora made out the lineup card by putting JDM in right field. Jennings went so far as to write that the loss was squarely in JDM's lap.
Quote from: longgame on August 19, 2021, 01:40:50 PM
Happy Sox-aversary!
SeaDog, when I was a kid I grew up halfway between NY and Boston in Old Saybrook, CT. Half the town were Sox fans, the other half (the uneducated, slovenly ones) were Yankee fans. There were a smattering of Mets fans but nobody cared! Anyhow, especially during the summer of 78, it could get brutal. If the teams played, the fans of the losing team would call in sick the next day.
In 2004 my mother was in the hospital in New Haven during the ALCS. The whole floor had the games on. We went in the day after game 3 and all the Yankee fans had their hats and jackets on. Went in the day after Game 4 and it seemed like it was all Sox fans. It can be tough when forced to co-exist!
Ted---I noticed something in the demeanor of Yankee fans over the years, especially as I got older and adopted the Red Sox in 2000. Back then they would tease us, try to make us feel better with humor and a lot of sarcasm too as if we were a bunch of rubes. But a lot of it was in good cheer as well since they were on top and we were the perennial chokers. I would say after 2013 and our third WS Title the kidding became more mean spirited and angry at us since they couldn't kid us about being chokers anymore since we have three to their one in the new century. By 2018 many of those "entitled" ones were incensed that we were now the kingpins instead of them and I think that accounts for their raising the flag now that they have embarrassed the shit out of us the past series where we looked like shit warmed over. We have one more series with them and we had better return the favor and end up with the last laugh in this more bitter rivalry.
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Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2021, 10:30:00 PM
Quote from: longgame on August 19, 2021, 01:40:50 PM
Happy Sox-aversary!
SeaDog, when I was a kid I grew up halfway between NY and Boston in Old Saybrook, CT. Half the town were Sox fans, the other half (the uneducated, slovenly ones) were Yankee fans. There were a smattering of Mets fans but nobody cared! Anyhow, especially during the summer of 78, it could get brutal. If the teams played, the fans of the losing team would call in sick the next day.
In 2004 my mother was in the hospital in New Haven during the ALCS. The whole floor had the games on. We went in the day after game 3 and all the Yankee fans had their hats and jackets on. Went in the day after Game 4 and it seemed like it was all Sox fans. It can be tough when forced to co-exist!
Ted---I noticed something in the demeanor of Yankee fans over the years, especially as I got older and adopted the Red Sox in 2000. Back then they would tease us, try to make us feel better with humor and a lot of sarcasm too as if we were a bunch of rubes. But a lot of it was in good cheer as well since they were on top and we were the perennial chokers. I would say after 2013 and our third WS Title the kidding became more mean spirited and angry at us since they couldn't kid us about being chokers anymore since we have three to their one in the new century. By 2018 many of those "entitled" ones were incensed that we were now the kingpins instead of them and I think that accounts for their raising the flag now that they have embarrassed the shit out of us the past series where we looked like shit warmed over. We have one more series with them and we had better return the favor and end up with the last laugh in this more bitter rivalry.
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I've noticed the same, although I'm about to jump on a call where a Yankee fan colleague will be on and I know the ribbing will be good natured. But you are right, their frustration with losing has only been compounded by the Sox' success the past 17 years.
Bloom's biggest failures are in his project acquisitions. A reasonable amount of them worked, but he built his club with them. 14-15 spots on the 40 man, and that's only counting 3 in the bullpen. Some of it cost him decent money, too. This is a serious handcuffing. Most of the rest is because of this.