GAME #72, BOSTON RED SOX AT KANSAS CITY ROYALS

Schloicka · June 21, 2017, 04:52:59 PM

Quote from: Rob from Mass on June 21, 2017, 04:37:43 PM
I guess his 12 holds don`t mean anything to some.

Holds are fine but how often does he have a clean inning? He always seems to be on a tight rope. Not unusual for him to get to a full count. I can look at Barnes and Scott and say they had a tough day. Let's move on. I'm not going to go spastic about it because it happens to every pitcher at some point. I'm sure their not happy about it either. Crap happens and it certainly did today. On to Friday.

Rob from Mass · June 21, 2017, 04:55:28 PM

Quote from: Schloicka on June 21, 2017, 04:52:59 PM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on June 21, 2017, 04:37:43 PM
I guess his 12 holds don`t mean anything to some.

Holds are fine but how often does he have a clean inning? He always seems to be on a tight rope. Not unusual for him to get to a full count. I can look at Barnes and Scott and say they had a tough day. Let's move on. I'm not going to go spastic about it because it happens to every pitcher at some point. I'm sure their not happy about it either. Crap happens and it certainly did today. On to Friday.

Sounds good .

SeaBeachFred · June 21, 2017, 05:11:55 PM

Quote from: ojdidit on June 21, 2017, 03:57:14 PM
When you come in and walk the first guy that is a warning sign. Barnes did this a few days ago and Sox survived a jam. Now he has walked a second batter. Two in a row! If and when Smith is 100% I would dump Barnes ASAP. The guy has wonderful stuff, but he is a control nightmare.

Barnes is a meatball, pure and simple. He cannot put two good outings together in a row and when he has one you better be ready to yank him the moment he gets in trouble in his second one. He should never be in there with less than a three or four run lead. Today his miserable attempt to hold a lead cost us a game we could have and should have won and once again we're running in place and coming home with a bummer of a road finale and Pinata Porcello ready to take the mound tomorrow with the Angels just waiting to feast on him.

SeaBeachFred · June 21, 2017, 05:14:30 PM

Quote from: ojdidit on June 21, 2017, 04:11:51 PM
This is EXACTLY what they deserve. EXACTLY! You walk three guys in a row this is what happens and should. Last week they caught a break when they walked the bases loaded and escaped. Also - push the blame on Farrell. Kelly - no great control wizard - deserved to start another inning.

For some reason Farrell has a lot of confidence in the meatball which is why I have less and less confidence in Farrell. Not letting Kelly pitch the eighth was a mistake in my opinion. And where was a righty to pitch to Perez? Often you give Farrell the opportunity to win or lose one for us you know the usual result.

ipot · June 21, 2017, 05:59:18 PM

Well, that was a mess. Considering the pen has been getting it done for a good stretch, odds came up for a stinker.

But 5 measly hits from our offense again is not going to yield 4 runs every time.

Bill-806 · June 21, 2017, 06:19:49 PM

Another one that we will have to win in September !! The mirrors must have melted in the K C heat..... Another tough one to loose.... Our roster has a lot of holes, to say the least !!

markj · June 21, 2017, 10:46:09 PM

Well that stint in 1st place didn't last long.

MongoLikeSox · June 22, 2017, 06:50:55 AM

OK, so I've seen Scott in his new role of NOT being a lefty specialist 4 times now. That means some of you have seen him more than that. The jury is out for me. Houston hit him hard from the right side and yesterday happened. I'm sure options were limited. He used Boyer a lot 2 nights ago, yes? Abad has not been consistent in pressure situations. Not in a positive way, anyhow.

I do not understand JF's love affair with Barnes. I hope that Joe Kelly's nerves are not why he isn't in the 8th instead of Barnes. To me, that needs to be reversed. I cannot believe for a moment that there is any other reason why you want Kelly facing the bottom of the order in the 7th and Barnes facing the top of the order in the 8th. Barnes does not overpower batters like Kelly. Never has at his best. JF call's Barnes an elite arm. Just goes to show you how his unjustified faith in certain players defies logic.

Then again, I didn't watch the game. Forgot it was on. Perhaps he used Kelly in a pressure situation to bail Pom Pom out? If so, he chose the best man for that key point in the game thing.

Well, can't go through a season without bull pen imploding a few times. At least we are not bitchin' about it 5 times a week this year. It's early, though.

ojdidit · June 22, 2017, 11:33:09 AM

This game still has me ticked and it is all Barnes. In the 6-5 win at Houston Barnes walked two and had to be replaced. Scott then walks a batter and Sox are rescued by an out at home. Scott comes in during the 4-2 loss in KC and walks a batter. In the 6-4 loss Barnes walks his first two and Scott rplaces him and walks his only batter. Scott 3.6 BB/9 and Barnes 4.5 BB/9, but that is misleading. They are walking batters and creating problems. You do not start and inning by walking a batter. Even if they hit it you may have it caught. Both are falling behind on counts making .230 hitters into .330 hitters. Kelly has looked good but he has a 4.4 BB/9.

Bill-806 · June 22, 2017, 01:26:03 PM

Quote from: ojdidit on June 22, 2017, 11:33:09 AM
This game still has me ticked and it is all Barnes. In the 6-5 win at Houston Barnes walked two and had to be replaced. Scott then walks a batter and Sox are rescued by an out at home. Scott comes in during the 4-2 loss in KC and walks a batter. In the 6-4 loss Barnes walks his first two and Scott rplaces him and walks his only batter. Scott 3.6 BB/9 and Barnes 4.5 BB/9, but that is misleading. They are walking batters and creating problems. You do not start and inning by walking a batter. Even if they hit it you may have it caught. Both are falling behind on counts making .230 hitters into .330 hitters. Kelly has looked good but he has a 4.4 BB/9.

As good as the bullpen has been, they have had more than their share of "Jekyll & hides"

ojdidit · June 22, 2017, 02:29:18 PM

Guys walk batter but with Barnes, Kelly and Hembree they come in batches. This is a mini version of Henry Owens who will pitch three clean innings and then walk six in two innings.

ipot · June 22, 2017, 02:48:24 PM

Quote from: ojdidit on June 22, 2017, 02:29:18 PM
Guys walk batter but with Barnes, Kelly and Hembree they come in batches. This is a mini version of Henry Owens who will pitch three clean innings and then walk six in two innings.

Like some kind of bug going around....bizarre.

ojdidit · June 22, 2017, 03:50:22 PM

Quote from: ipot on June 22, 2017, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: ojdidit on June 22, 2017, 02:29:18 PM
Guys walk batter but with Barnes, Kelly and Hembree they come in batches. This is a mini version of Henry Owens who will pitch three clean innings and then walk six in two innings.

Like some kind of bug going around....bizarre.

Walkbola?

markj · June 22, 2017, 11:03:45 PM

Yankees blew a 5-2 lead to the Angels, so Sox own a piece of 1st place again.

longgame · June 23, 2017, 07:23:04 AM

Quote from: ojdidit on June 22, 2017, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: ipot on June 22, 2017, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: ojdidit on June 22, 2017, 02:29:18 PM
Guys walk batter but with Barnes, Kelly and Hembree they come in batches. This is a mini version of Henry Owens who will pitch three clean innings and then walk six in two innings.

Like some kind of bug going around....bizarre.
Walkbola?

LOL,

I remember a few years back and Schilling was pitching against Toronto I think it was. All of a sudden he comes out and walks the bases loaded, I think it was on 12 pitches - and he never walked anyone. Still, walking the first batter as a reliever just kills me.