ORIOLES V RED SOX
TUESDAY, MAY 2, 2017, 7:10 PM AT FENWAY PARK
TV: NESN, MASN, MLBN (OUT OF MARKET ONLY)
BALTIMORE (16-8)....................................................................................BOSTON (13-12)
BALTIMORE:
ALEC ASHER, RHP, 1-0, 2.16ERA, 6K
Asher will get the ball for his second start and 4th game, with the O's
this season. He won his only start in Toronto on April 15 and has a 2.16ERA
over 8 1/3 innings pitched.
BOSTON:
CHRIS SALE, LHP, 1.19ERA, 54K
The lanky lefty has been a combination of electric and dominant in his
first five starts for the Red Sox. But his lack of run support has been an
on-going story, Boston has scored just four runs for Sale during his
37 2/3 innings.
Sale takes the mound hoping for run support
Craig Forde
You might have heard that Chris Sale has been awesome. You might have also heard that his run support has been less than awesome. The Red Sox have scored a total of 4 runs during Sale's 37 2/3 innings.
In the last 30 years, the only Red Sox pitcher to get less run support in his first five starts with the team was Jeff Sellers, who got three runs over his first five starts in 1988. The only other pitcher during the last 30 seasons to get less than 10 runs in in his first five starts of a season for the Red Sox was Greg Harris, who got 8 runs of support in his first five starts in 1991.
"I don't think our guys on a day Chris is pitching feel like they've got to try to do more or to make up for previous outings in which he's had," Sox manager John Farrell said. "We know that in five starts he's been on the mound for us, we've scored all of four runs. We've had good ballgames pitched against us by quality starters, to the point where we're seeing rotations adjusted to match up against him. I don't think it's a compounding thing just because Chris is on the mound."
The Orioles will counter with Alec Asher, who is making just his second start of the season.
"I'm happy to be here, happy to be with this club and winning games. I'll do whatever they want me to do, as long as I stay here," said Asher, who has also made two relief appearances for the O's this year and is 1-0 with a 2.16 ERA in his combined work.
THREE THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME
• During his dominant start to the season, Chris Sale has been going right after hitters. Among those with at least 300 pitches thrown, he's posted the second-highest zone rate (56.9 percent) and the third-highest strike rate (69.3 percent).
• Asher is making his second career Fenway start and will be looking to do things a bit differently. In the second big league outing of his career, in 2015, he allowed seven earned runs on eight hits and two walks over 3 2/3 innings.
• Orioles second baseman Jonathan Schoop has made 186 consecutive starts for Baltimore. According to STATS, LLC., that is the second longest current streak in the majors behind Kansas City shortstop Alcides Escobar, who has 195 straight games under his belt.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/20170501227678006/sale-takes-the-mound-hoping-for-run-support/?game_pk=490487
RED SOX LINEUP
Bogaerts SS
Benintendi LF
Betts RF
Ramirez DH
Moreland 1B
Pedroia 2B
Bradley Jr. CF
Leon C
Hernandez 3B
Sale LHP.
So, how is that nice young man "Little Marco" going to do tonight ?? I guess my eyes were OK after all !!
Another good outing from the starter and yet another L.Game after game is like and instant replay of the night before.
Sale has to be wondering if he throws a no-hitter the defense will lose the game for him.
Quote from: Bill-806 on May 02, 2017, 07:06:29 AM
So, how is that nice young man "Little Marco" going to do tonight ?? I guess my eyes were OK after all !!
No response from you when he won the game the other night .I guess you were hiding under one of your life size bingo cards.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on May 02, 2017, 08:29:12 AM
Another good outing from the starter and yet another L.Game after game is like and instant replay of the night before.
Sale has to be wondering if he throws a no-hitter the defense will lose the game for him.
Sure seems like it. I'm waiting for Sale to go nuts in the clubhouse.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on May 02, 2017, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Bill-806 on May 02, 2017, 07:06:29 AM
So, how is that nice young man "Little Marco" going to do tonight ?? I guess my eyes were OK after all !!
No response from you when he won the game the other night .I guess you were hiding under one of your life size bingo cards.
Sorry Rob, but the game looks to be a bit too fast for "Little Marco" !! We need more out of that position in the field & at bat
And for godsakes Henry and Werner, put enough security out there tonight so that Adam Jones doesn't get taunted with racial slurs again. Boston has enough of a reputation without adding fuel to the fire.
Sounds like some 60-70 people were ejected from the stands last night. Make it 160 if need be tonight.
Quote from: Bill-806 on May 02, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on May 02, 2017, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Bill-806 on May 02, 2017, 07:06:29 AM
So, how is that nice young man "Little Marco" going to do tonight ?? I guess my eyes were OK after all !!
No response from you when he won the game the other night .I guess you were hiding under one of your life size bingo cards.
Sorry Rob, but the game looks to be a bit too fast for "Little Marco" !! We need more out of that position in the field & at bat
Hernandez is a crappy defensive player. He is sloppy in the field and error prone, and he is shitty with a bat in the clutch. However, it is what it is. We have him or Fatso Sandoval because Prune Face wanted to get something back from that contract he handed out to Sandoval and with him lame he has no other choice but to go to little Marco Mistake. Of course, some people around here were adamant about getting rid of Travis Shaw last fall. I WAS NOT ONE OF THEM!!!!!! Look at him in Milwaukee. He has six homers already and 21 RBI's. Little Marco has TWO, and Sandoval is barely over the Mendoza Line. What a shit pile our team is turning into.
Here's what's on my mind about this team today:
First, the obvious: Sale, as RobFromMass said above, has to throw a no hitter and it's still likely he'll get the L.
Secondly, I know many are pointing fingers at Henry and DD. I don't think the problem lies there. This offseason we had on paper (and still do) a team capable of taking the division and more. What's happening is endemic underperformance (esp. on the part of the lineup) and that falls at the CLUBHOUSE LEVEL. This is Farrell's watch here. And the players. Is there a leader in there? Is there anyone who cares about winning games? We can absorb a slumping catcher, and even mediocrity at another hitting position. Even with Marco+Leon hitting like s--t, we still have a lineup capable of producing a lot of runs.
It begins with the hitters 1-5. They have to get their acts together as well-moving chain of hitters.
We are wasting great games by Sale, Porcello, and - thx to Cubs gifts - rescued one for E-Rod who looked so darn good on Sunday. Even Kimbrel has his act together.
Quote from: ipot on May 02, 2017, 01:07:27 PM
Here's what's on my mind about this team today:
First, the obvious: Sale, as RobFromMass said above, has to throw a no hitter and it's still likely he'll get the L.
Secondly, I know many are pointing fingers at Henry and DD. I don't think the problem lies there. This offseason we had on paper (and still do) a team capable of taking the division and more. What's happening is endemic underperformance (esp. on the part of the lineup) and that falls at the CLUBHOUSE LEVEL. This is Farrell's watch here. And the players. Is there a leader in there? Is there anyone who cares about winning games? We can absorb a slumping catcher, and even mediocrity at another hitting position. Even with Marco+Leon hitting like s--t, we still have a lineup capable of producing a lot of runs.
It begins with the hitters 1-5. They have to get their acts together as well-moving chain of hitters.
We are wasting great games by Sale, Porcello, and - thx to Cubs gifts - rescued one for E-Rod who looked so darn good on Sunday. Even Kimbrel has his act together.
The one I am worried about is Betts.I doubt he will be a yearly 30 HR guy and more like in upper teens and lower 20s.After all, he never hit more than 17 HRs in the minors.I also can`t see XB hitting in the 20s as he did last season .Looking at him swing it`s like he just wants to make contact in the gaps. With the exception of Devers, the cupboard is bare in AAA and AA.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on May 02, 2017, 12:36:59 PM
Quote from: Bill-806 on May 02, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on May 02, 2017, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Bill-806 on May 02, 2017, 07:06:29 AM
So, how is that nice young man "Little Marco" going to do tonight ?? I guess my eyes were OK after all !!
No response from you when he won the game the other night .I guess you were hiding under one of your life size bingo cards.
Sorry Rob, but the game looks to be a bit too fast for "Little Marco" !! We need more out of that position in the field & at bat
Hernandez is a crappy defensive player. He is sloppy in the field and error prone, and he is shitty with a bat in the clutch. However, it is what it is. We have him or Fatso Sandoval because Prune Face wanted to get something back from that contract he handed out to Sandoval and with him lame he has no other choice but to go to little Marco Mistake. Of course, some people around here were adamant about getting rid of Travis Shaw last fall. I WAS NOT ONE OF THEM!!!!!! Look at him in Milwaukee. He has six homers already and 21 RBI's. Little Marco has TWO, and Sandoval is barely over the Mendoza Line. What a shit pile our team is turning into.
Fred, I agree on Hernandez but for the moment that's all we have.I think he can be a good hitter and in time drive in some runs.I was one that was in favor of letting Shaw leave especially with the return we got.Thornburg when healthy is what this team needed.
Shaw playing 3rd is as bad as Hernandez although he is OK at first.
Rumors circulating Fenway that the FO is looking all over the state for the best HS pitcher available for immediate duty.With Wright on the DL and virtually nothing in the minors, they are hoping to strike gold with a High School senior.
Holt has experienced symptoms of vertigo again. Sox not sure when he’ll go back on a rehab.
Let's if Moreland snaps out of the funk he is in and takes what the other team gives him.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on May 02, 2017, 03:42:46 PM
Holt has experienced symptoms of vertigo again. Sox not sure when he’ll go back on a rehab.
That can't be a good thing. I hope it isn't something serious. Hate to see his career take a hit.
Sox recalled RHP Brandon Workman from Pawtucket. He has pitched in relief and has looked good .In 8 innings 1H....1BB and 11Ks.
Quote from: markj on May 02, 2017, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on May 02, 2017, 03:42:46 PM
Holt has experienced symptoms of vertigo again. Sox not sure when he’ll go back on a rehab.
That can't be a good thing. I hope it isn't something serious. Hate to see his career take a hit.
I had something like that. Batteries of tests. It was something known as BPV. benign Positional Vertigo. It has do with tiny crystals in our inner ear that are sensors for our balance. They can get dislodged. It ended up taking a simple exercise of moving the head around with a Physical Therapist to move them back in place. It happens for many reasons - allergies, exercise, etc. Within an hour - poof it was gone. Scary but harmless.
Has any one noticed what Travis Shaw has been doing? 6 HRs .263 BA
Hanley with another dinger. Shame no one was on base.
Hanley again. Very deep. And again, no one on base.
Sale gives it right back on the first pitch.
Hernandez jumps the gun and gets nailed at home. Not smart. He had time to go back to third and tried to force the issue.
Quote from: markj on May 02, 2017, 08:09:24 PM
Hernandez jumps the gun and gets nailed at home. Not smart. He had time to go back to third and tried to force the issue.
Yes, terrible play by Hernandez (and/or the 3rd base coach).
Nice drive by Betts to salvage the inning the Sox almost squandered.
Mookie drives in a couple. That's more like it.
Quote from: markj on May 02, 2017, 08:09:24 PM
Hernandez jumps the gun and gets nailed at home. Not smart. He had time to go back to third and tried to force the issue.
It was a go on contact play. He did what he was supposed to do. Just unfortunate it didn't go past the pitcher. It's a predetermined play.
Ok, what was that???? Why not an infield fly rule (to my understanding, can still be called when it's in shallow part of outfield).
Not what I saw, Geo. I watched the replay closely. He didn't go on contact. He didn't budge until the ball was up beside the mound, then he went. He had plenty of time to stay on 3rd.
That was a bizarre play. Why did JBJ not go to first? It seems you could manufacture a triple play like that whenever you have a popup and men on 1st and 2nd.
Quote from: markj on May 02, 2017, 08:38:01 PM
Not what I saw, Geo. I watched the replay closely. He didn't go on contact. He didn't budge until the ball was up beside the mound, then he went. He had plenty of time to stay on 3rd.
Someone needs to explain that triple play to me. I understand tagging Moreland and the force at 2nd, but why was Pedroia out?
Bradley was the hitter and never went to first. So Moreland was tagged, Pedroia was forced at 2nd and Bradley was forced out at 1B while walking to the dugout I guess.
Quote from: markj on May 02, 2017, 08:38:01 PM
Not what I saw, Geo. I watched the replay closely. He didn't go on contact. He didn't budge until the ball was up beside the mound, then he went. He had plenty of time to stay on 3rd.
Someone needs to explain that triple play to me. I understand tagging Moreland and the force at 2nd, but why was Pedroia out?
Pedroia was forced out at 2nd and JBJ was out at 1st because he gave himself up by walking away. Moreland was tagged out. Pedroia had to run to 2nd since no infield fly was called.
So JBJ blew it. Although when you expect a simple popup to be caught and someone is on 1st and 2nd, I guess you can't hustle to 1st to stand there with another runner hoping someone drops the ball.
Moot point anyway. Sox win. Finally some run support for Sale.
JBJ should have been running Moreland also should have been running to third after he saw the ball was not caught. Sox won but there are still too many dumb ass plays from a team that is very sloppy and not playing sound baseball.
Quote from: markj on May 02, 2017, 08:44:58 PM
Moot point anyway. Sox win. Finally some run support for Sale.
Yes, he got some. Wish they spotted him a big 6 run cushion. But 5 runs total for this offense is a veritable explosion. At least Hanley has found his power.
Quote from: elktonnick on May 02, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
Has any one noticed what Travis Shaw has been doing? 6 HRs .263 BA
I noticed it Elk and mentioned it in another missive either on a game thread or the Red Sox news thread. But Pruney was determined to get Sandoval back into the lineup to get some payback for that bloated contract he signed him for. Toward the end of last season I was convinced that errand boy Farrell was programming Travis to fail. Now we have Fatso and Little Marco to pollute that position for us. We're going to have to upgrade there whether Pruney likes it or not, otherwise the season will falter.....and we better start worrying a little, maybe a lot, about Jackie Bradley. Right now he is looking very much like that fraud we carried in the 2014 season. I know he is streaky but this is ridiculous. Maybe a game or two of rest might be helpful, maybe not.
Quote from: ipot on May 02, 2017, 01:07:27 PM
Here's what's on my mind about this team today:
First, the obvious: Sale, as RobFromMass said above, has to throw a no hitter and it's still likely he'll get the L.
Secondly, I know many are pointing fingers at Henry and DD. I don't think the problem lies there. This offseason we had on paper (and still do) a team capable of taking the division and more. What's happening is endemic underperformance (esp. on the part of the lineup) and that falls at the CLUBHOUSE LEVEL. This is Farrell's watch here. And the players. Is there a leader in there? Is there anyone who cares about winning games? We can absorb a slumping catcher, and even mediocrity at another hitting position. Even with Marco+Leon hitting like s--t, we still have a lineup capable of producing a lot of runs.
It begins with the hitters 1-5. They have to get their acts together as well-moving chain of hitters.
We are wasting great games by Sale, Porcello, and - thx to Cubs gifts - rescued one for E-Rod who looked so darn good on Sunday. Even Kimbrel has his act together.
The 1-5 hitters heard you tonight IPOT.....and good they did because the Leon, Bradley and Little Marco got one hit between them. Hanley might now finally be getting untracked and we can certainly use some power from him and others.
Quote from: markj on May 02, 2017, 08:09:24 PM
Hernandez jumps the gun and gets nailed at home. Not smart. He had time to go back to third and tried to force the issue.
Are you saying that besides being shitty on defense and hitting with MISP he is also a dumb player? Well that's the hat trick for you. Are you sure Fatso and Little Marco are not related?
George did bring up a good point about that Chinese Fire Drill in that there was enough blame to go around and perhaps I was too hard on Little Marco. He is, after all, barely out of the rookie status while Moreland and Bradley are veteran players. I wonder just how bad we are in the matter of fundamental and knowing how to run the bases and when to run. It all starts at the top you know, and you also know where I think the fault lies.
This lack of fundamentals is really troubling to me. These guys are making too many bone head plays. It all stems from the team's bone headed manager.
Quote from: elktonnick on May 02, 2017, 09:54:04 PM
This lack of fundamentals is really troubling to me. These guys are making too many bone head plays. It all stems from the team's bone headed manager.
A good win, howevaa the breakdown of discipline continues.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on May 02, 2017, 09:34:59 PM
Quote from: markj on May 02, 2017, 08:09:24 PM
Hernandez jumps the gun and gets nailed at home. Not smart. He had time to go back to third and tried to force the issue.
Are you saying that besides being shitty on defense and hitting with MISP he is also a dumb player? Well that's the hat trick for you. Are you sure Fatso and Little Marco are not related?
Contact play on which Hernandez was going. Ball was hit in a place that made it easy if fielded correctly. Hammer Hernandez for occasional dumb stuff, but this was not one. Routine strategy. Remy talked about it since it was just routine strategy. Would have worked well if Benintendi had hit the ball anywhere else.
Quote from: elktonnick on May 02, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
JBJ should have been running Moreland also should have been running to third after he saw the ball was not caught. Sox won but there are still too many dumb ass plays from a team that is very sloppy and not playing sound baseball.
I thought this was dismissed too easily last night by all involved. The runners should have hung near the bag and then taken off to the next base as soon as it was dropped. I think Bradley was out not because he was forced but because he left the field - since Pedroia was on first. I would think any kid playing ball would know this - regardless of where the ball is, you wait and if not caught you take off for the next base, period.
Quote from: longgame on May 03, 2017, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on May 02, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
JBJ should have been running Moreland also should have been running to third after he saw the ball was not caught. Sox won but there are still too many dumb ass plays from a team that is very sloppy and not playing sound baseball.
I thought this was dismissed too easily last night by all involved. The runners should have hung near the bag and then taken off to the next base as soon as it was dropped. I think Bradley was out not because he was forced but because he left the field - since Pedroia was on first. I would think any kid playing ball would know this - regardless of where the ball is, you wait and if not caught you take off for the next base, period.
That still would have resulted in a double play. Force at 2B and then a throw to 3B. But if Bradley had run to first, at least it wouldn't have ended the inning.
Quote from: markj on May 03, 2017, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: longgame on May 03, 2017, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on May 02, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
JBJ should have been running Moreland also should have been running to third after he saw the ball was not caught. Sox won but there are still too many dumb ass plays from a team that is very sloppy and not playing sound baseball.
I thought this was dismissed too easily last night by all involved. The runners should have hung near the bag and then taken off to the next base as soon as it was dropped. I think Bradley was out not because he was forced but because he left the field - since Pedroia was on first. I would think any kid playing ball would know this - regardless of where the ball is, you wait and if not caught you take off for the next base, period.
That still would have resulted in a double play. Force at 2B and then a throw to 3B. But if Bradley had run to first, at least it wouldn't have ended the inning.
If this were my ball club Bradley would be benched after last night's game.
Quote from: elktonnick on May 03, 2017, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: markj on May 03, 2017, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: longgame on May 03, 2017, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on May 02, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
JBJ should have been running Moreland also should have been running to third after he saw the ball was not caught. Sox won but there are still too many dumb ass plays from a team that is very sloppy and not playing sound baseball.
I thought this was dismissed too easily last night by all involved. The runners should have hung near the bag and then taken off to the next base as soon as it was dropped. I think Bradley was out not because he was forced but because he left the field - since Pedroia was on first. I would think any kid playing ball would know this - regardless of where the ball is, you wait and if not caught you take off for the next base, period.
That still would have resulted in a double play. Force at 2B and then a throw to 3B. But if Bradley had run to first, at least it wouldn't have ended the inning.
If this were my ball club Bradley would be benched after last night's game.
I long for the days of "Dick Williams" type managers !!!
Quote from: Bill-806 on May 03, 2017, 11:39:29 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on May 03, 2017, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: markj on May 03, 2017, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: longgame on May 03, 2017, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on May 02, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
JBJ should have been running Moreland also should have been running to third after he saw the ball was not caught. Sox won but there are still too many dumb ass plays from a team that is very sloppy and not playing sound baseball.
I thought this was dismissed too easily last night by all involved. The runners should have hung near the bag and then taken off to the next base as soon as it was dropped. I think Bradley was out not because he was forced but because he left the field - since Pedroia was on first. I would think any kid playing ball would know this - regardless of where the ball is, you wait and if not caught you take off for the next base, period.
That still would have resulted in a double play. Force at 2B and then a throw to 3B. But if Bradley had run to first, at least it wouldn't have ended the inning.
If this were my ball club Bradley would be benched after last night's game.
I long for the days of "Dick Williams" type managers !!!
We never seem to get them anymore---and don't anyone compare Valentine to Dick Williams. No comparison. Williams won pennants and World Series and helped four teams rise from the dregs to contenders.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on May 03, 2017, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: Bill-806 on May 03, 2017, 11:39:29 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on May 03, 2017, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: markj on May 03, 2017, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: longgame on May 03, 2017, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on May 02, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
JBJ should have been running Moreland also should have been running to third after he saw the ball was not caught. Sox won but there are still too many dumb ass plays from a team that is very sloppy and not playing sound baseball.
& Valentine won HEARTS !!!!
I thought this was dismissed too easily last night by all involved. The runners should have hung near the bag and then taken off to the next base as soon as it was dropped. I think Bradley was out not because he was forced but because he left the field - since Pedroia was on first. I would think any kid playing ball would know this - regardless of where the ball is, you wait and if not caught you take off for the next base, period.
That still would have resulted in a double play. Force at 2B and then a throw to 3B. But if Bradley had run to first, at least it wouldn't have ended the inning.
If this were my ball club Bradley would be benched after last night's game.
I long for the days of "Dick Williams" type managers !!!
We never seem to get them anymore---and don't anyone compare Valentine to Dick Williams. No comparison. Williams won pennants and World Series and helped four teams rise from the dregs to contenders.