Bloom should go

[SeaBeachFred]

I'm getting fairly sick of their PR machine, too. It's not quite so clever and effective as they think. Next thing they'll try to do is have home team history promotions that will include the scoreboard standings from this date in xxxx so they don't have to show the Sox at the bottom.

It might work for the pink hats Mongo but it should never work for the fans who live and die with that team.  It if does work for the fans, shame on their worthless asses.

[MongoLikeSox]

I'm getting fairly sick of their PR machine, too. It's not quite so clever and effective as they think. Next thing they'll try to do is have home team history promotions that will include the scoreboard standings from this date in xxxx so they don't have to show the Sox at the bottom.

It might work for the pink hats Mongo but it should never work for the fans who live and die with that team.  It if does work for the fans, shame on their worthless asses.

They better not say bad stuff 'bout Benny tonight. It's not his fault Boston didn't work out, and it's not his fault he's a Yankee.

[elktonnick]

Bloom screwed up big time yesterday.  First of all, the way the trade went down was yet another PR disaster. It just demonstrates once again Bloom Henry &  Co. have zero people skills. Secondly whatever morale existed in that clubhouse before the trade vanished afterwards.  According to many media reports, the players blame Bloom for not making the deals to improve the team last off season after they almost made the World Series.  Many in the clubhouse now believe Henry is not as committed to producing a winning team as he was in the past. This attitude may make it tough  for the Sox to keep  Devers who wants to play for a winner.
Finally most in the Boston media now believe that Bloom simply doesn't understand the Boston market.  He is just another Tampa Bay alum who is failing in Boston.  One wag called Blooms approach the definition of insanity.  His incremental approach was likened to someone who plays 5 dollar blackjack at the casino expecting to become a billionaire.

[Sea Dog 23]

After Eovaldi's bravado last night, 0 eared runs I think it was, Bloom would be  cold hearted to trade Nathan today, no black- hearted.  I think the clubhouse suspects JDM is gone, but losing Nathan today would be the nail in the clubhouse coffin.  Also rumors of JBJ moving on, to dump another big salary. Alas the Sox should be under the tax line with those two moves, since that is the new model to run the Boston franchise.

[longgame]

Vaz said he didn't know if Bloom believed in the team which sealed his fate and left Bloom to not worry about it.  Of course petty move by Bloom, since he clearly doesn't seem to be believe in this team, but still somewhat understandable.

As for today, who knows what he'll do.  All the press I've seen talk about one or two things - he's destroying the core that is left and he seemingly has no plan and is flailing about. I'm always amazed that Cashman, for all his faults, decides to go after a guy and gets him whether it's during the season or in the offseason.  There's no pussyfooting around, no cute games, he just goes out and gets the guys he thinks he needs.  Like many reporters, I've yet to figure out what the heck Bloom's "plan" is, other than to cut payroll. 

[MongoLikeSox]

Word from some of the lesser White Sox press types was that Reese McGuire was a soon to be DFA'd. Their applauding White Sox Brass for getting something for him and addressing a glaring need. (almost no lefties in the BP, or at least leverage lefties.)

Nice one, Bloom!

[longgame]

Bloom never met a sub .250 hitter he didn't like. 

[MongoLikeSox]

I've been trying to dissect the moves Alex Cora has made this season in combination with the roster he was given and the whole Chaim Bloom thing. Robles and Franchy were given more chances than anyone I've seen. 3 errors, march him back out. 17 K's, march him back out in the 5-hole. Blown a bunch of saves? March him back out to close another. That sort of thing.

My question is, how much of this is Cora being stubborn, and how much of this is Cora being petulant? By that, I mean an attitude like "this what I  was given, this is what I'm using. It's not on me." Is this Cora fueling the flames, or is this Cora bought into the kool aide? That little jab after they got into the playoffs last season notwithstanding.

This has been eating at me for months.

(Then you look at the list of pitchers Cora's ruined (or put the finishing touches on) over his short managerial career with his "mastery" of the pitching staff and the young players that get caught in the gears and spit out along the way. All the head shaking. That's a whole different thread.)

[elktonnick]

This has always been Cora's MO.  As Fred rightly says Cora thinks he is the smartest man in the room.  He is not.

[longgame]

I think a lot of managers in his position would do the same in terms of you give them to me, I'm going to play them, but on the other hand, what choices did he have?  He also gave Dalbec a lot of chances for two years.  But with Franchy he's a bit stuck as he doesn't have answers for two positions, made worse when Hernandez went down.  Robles though is dumb-founding.  But I can relate a little to how Francona used to manage which was from April to August he gave guys every chance to show they could get out of a jam and then around mid-August he managed the back end especially more tightly.  Still, the key point to me is the way that pitchers just go to die here.  The lack of control and the lack of ability to adjust to what opposing teams are doing have killed them.

Just seems like it's a good time to lock down a couple of key players, and then clean out the front office down to the managers office. 

[elktonnick]

I have said repeatedly over the years that the Red Sox have a fundamentally flawed approach towards all aspects of pitching.  The organization has not produced an all star starting pitcher since John Lester.

[SeaBeachFred]

Bloom screwed up big time yesterday.  First of all, the way the trade went down was yet another PR disaster. It just demonstrates once again Bloom Henry &  Co. have zero people skills. Secondly whatever morale existed in that clubhouse before the trade vanished afterwards.  According to many media reports, the players blame Bloom for not making the deals to improve the team last off season after they almost made the World Series.  Many in the clubhouse now believe Henry is not as committed to producing a winning team as he was in the past. This attitude may make it tough  for the Sox to keep  Devers who wants to play for a winner.
Finally most in the Boston media now believe that Bloom simply doesn't understand the Boston market.  He is just another Tampa Bay alum who is failing in Boston.  One wag called Blooms approach the definition of insanity.  His incremental approach was likened to someone who plays 5 dollar blackjack at the casino expecting to become a billionaire.

Agreed Elk but you have to also understand that this is why Prune Face Henry hired him after firing Dan Dombrowski late in the 2019 season.  He wanted to cut spending drastically and act more like a middle level franchise instead of one of the big boys.  For some reason so many of my colleagues on this board seem very reluctant to pass any of the blame for this shit show to Henry.  Lacking true people skills and coupled with piss poor reading of the market, he has  to take the biggest hit of all of the bums running this organization because it all starts at the top and he is at the top, the cheap bastard.

[SeaBeachFred]

After Eovaldi's bravado last night, 0 eared runs I think it was, Bloom would be  cold hearted to trade Nathan today, no black- hearted.  I think the clubhouse suspects JDM is gone, but losing Nathan today would be the nail in the clubhouse coffin.  Also rumors of JBJ moving on, to dump another big salary. Alas the Sox should be under the tax line with those two moves, since that is the new model to run the Boston franchise.

Rumors of Bradley moving on????  You have to be totally drunk and on drugs to believe that.  Any such rumor will be shot down from Henry's yacht when he lets Bloom know that his favorite is not to be traded, released, or even benched.  You watch.  Either Duren, Verdugo or the guy they just got yesterday will be benched to keep Bradley and his putrid bat in the lineup.  You watch.  I am convinced of that.  The only way we will be finally rid of Bradley is for some team to make such an offer of top p rospect or Bradley demanding a trade will be finally rid of this guy.

[SeaBeachFred]

I think a lot of managers in his position would do the same in terms of you give them to me, I'm going to play them, but on the other hand, what choices did he have?  He also gave Dalbec a lot of chances for two years.  But with Franchy he's a bit stuck as he doesn't have answers for two positions, made worse when Hernandez went down.  Robles though is dumb-founding.  But I can relate a little to how Francona used to manage which was from April to August he gave guys every chance to show they could get out of a jam and then around mid-August he managed the back end especially more tightly.  Still, the key point to me is the way that pitchers just go to die here.  The lack of control and the lack of ability to adjust to what opposing teams are doing have killed them.

Just seems like it's a good time to lock down a couple of key players, and then clean out the front office down to the managers office.

That's the point I've been making for the past month or so.  After this season there is no way back to respectability for our team unless the whole front office is cleaned out.....and that includes both Bloom and Cora.

[MongoLikeSox]

I didn't want to start a new thread for this bit of research. It seems to fit here. I looked up the position players that The Red Sox have acquired in the Bloom era. A mixed bag, for sure, but it's heavily weighted on the negative.

To start with, that kid we got for Christian Vazquez - Emanuel Valdez -  is doing what most of the other Chaim Bloom trade acquisitions do best. Watching their own batting averages plummet. Valdez's BA in Worcester is now .194. He looks lost. Did we do that? Maybe Here's the others. He joins Downs (.197), Abreu (.190), Hamilton (.225), Binelas (.202), another Valdez (.192) and Hudson Potts (.214) in the "yikes" department. Do note that Binelas has hit 24 HRs this year and Hamilton SB total is up to 56. Imagine that total if he could get on base?

In all fairness to Bloom, some of his pickups are doing decently. Koss at .278, Wong and Hernandez both in the .270's alternating catching duties in Worcester. Sogard was doing OK earlier in the year, but is still hitting .248.

I think his pitching pickups are a mixed bag as well, but will look another day.