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Sox had two 1st round picks, and chose two California SS.  Mikey Romero, a LH hitting SS and Cutter Coffey, who has talent to become a pitcher, but projects as SS or 3B. A big bat.

In the 2nd round the pick was Roman Anthony, an OF slugger from Florida.

Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 18, 2022, 06:12:15 AM
Sox had two 1st round picks, and chose two California SS.  Mikey Romero, a LH hitting SS and Cutter Coffey, who has talent to become a pitcher, but projects as SS or 3B. A big bat.

In the 2nd round the pick was Roman Anthony, an OF slugger from Florida.

What about pitching????  It isn't like we're stacked in that direction having among the worst staff in baseball.  Our supposed great prospects like Darwizon has proved he is a total turd, Bello has looked like crap warmed over in his two starts with us and Winchowski is a piss poor substitute for what we gave away in Andrew Benintendi, something I warned long ago must not happen.  Then we go at get a light hitting SS when we have our best prospect as a shortstop, Marcelo Mayer and then we draft another shortstop too?  God God are our scouts and front office on drugs.  Bad enough that Bloomers traded away Andrew and then Renfroe for a couple of turds like Bradshitley and Frenchy Pancake, but do our scouts have to be do dumb too or was Prune Face somewhat behind these picks?  It wouldn't surprise me if he was since he is a pretty dumb shit when it comes to evaluating talent..   As for Coffey, hard to figure that one too.  Remember our first pick around 2013, a guy named Ball?  He was like Coffey, a pitcher who also projected as a slugger.  He wound up totally shitting the bed, a complete bust.  We really suck guys and it is disgraceful that the pru ne has run the team into the ground with bums like that FRC at manager and the pathetic Bloomer Bum making all those miserable trades.

Fred, Bloom saw your post, they got pitchers Round 3-4-5. A lefty pitcher in Round 3, Dalton Rogers.  5-11, 172 from Southern Mississippi U.  Shows a 92 mph fb and 82 curve in this summers Cape Cod League.  I don't know if he projects for SP or RP, but he'll need to add another pitch to start.

And in Round 4 lefty Noah Dean of Old Dominion U., a 6-2 reliever with a good fastball. He will be the Sox edition of Old Dominion’s  Justin Verlander, until he is not.

Round 5, Alex Hoppe, Righty reliever UNC Greensboro, mid-90s fb.

In the first ten rounds the Sox selected six pitchers, all college kids.  They got their catcher in Round 9, high schooler Brooks Brannon, the North Carolina player of the year last two years.  Good arm and record setting bat.  Set the N.C. record for Hits, RBIs and tied HR record. He will be a signability question, higher value that fell to the 9th round,  a UNC commit, and will need a hefty bonus and pay overslot.  Sox expect to underpay for #3 pick Coffey. 

Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 18, 2022, 01:43:37 PM
Fred, Bloom saw your post, they got pitchers Round 3-4-5. A lefty pitcher in Round 3, Dalton Rogers.  5-11, 172 from Southern Mississippi U.  Shows a 92 mph fb and 82 curve in this summers Cape Cod League.  I don't know if he projects for SP or RP, but he'll need to add another pitch to start.

And in Round 4 lefty Noah Dean of Old Dominion U., a 6-2 reliever with a good fastball. He will be the Sox edition of Old Dominion’s  Justin Verlander, until he is not.

Round 5, Alex Hoppe, Righty reliever UNC Greensboro, mid-90s fb.

Well it's a start Sea Dog.  Now can these young pitchers get the  tutoring and training needed to someday have one or two of them actually get to Fenway Park.  You know better than I do how our pitching "prospects" go to Fenway Park to rot.............maybe this time my friend, maybe this time.  Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 18, 2022, 04:33:42 PM
In the first ten rounds the Sox selected six pitchers, all college kids.  They got their catcher in Round 9, high schooler Brooks Brannon, the North Carolina player of the year last two years.  Good arm and record setting bat.  Set the N.C. record for Hits, RBIs and tied HR record. He will be a signability question, higher value that fell to the 9th round,  a UNC commit, and will need a hefty bonus and pay overslot.  Sox expect to underpay for #3 pick Coffey.

From what write about Brooks Brannon, he sounds like the kind of prospect WHO COULD DEVELOP INTO OUR NEXT TOP NOTCH CATCHER-------if Prune Face will open his wallet and cease being the tightwas cheap bastard that he has become.  Maybe one or two of the other pitching draftees might hit gold for us.  I mean sooner or later we have to hit paydirt with a few of them.

Speaking of draft picks from the past -  Noah Song has applied for his waiver, again. He graduated his flight School thing at the end of April and applied within a couple of weeks. I've not heard anything else about it since then. I've no idea how long that process takes. Hopefully we can get him into the system sooner than later for obvious reasons.

Anyone heard anything more on this since mid-May?

Fred, a story out that Brannon has indeed signed with Sox.  I think the numbers for 9th round were $250k slot, but they cobbled up $750 in his deal.
i guess all those college pitchers they drafted in the early rounds, with little leverage, will help pay for Brannon. As a N.C. native I see a lot of mileposts in Brannon's story.  From Randleman, NC, home of racing's Richard Petty.  His father and coach was drafted 3rd round by the Mariner's in 1990.  The kid set state records this year in Hits, RBIs, and tied the HR record set by none other than his father.

Brannon had a .620 ba this year and 1.900 OPS. He is not a Realmuto athlete, and down the road could be a 3B or OF.  But has a great arm for a catcher.



https://twitter.com/KyleMortonHSOT/status/1549601992980533248?s=20&t=iKVjfLWc5Tt4hb7hIDuOyg

Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 20, 2022, 06:08:36 AM
Fred, a story out that Brannon has indeed signed with Sox.  I think the numbers for 9th round were $250k slot, but they cobbled up $750 in his deal.
i guess all those college pitchers they drafted in the early rounds, with little leverage, will help pay for Brannon. As a N.C. native I see a lot of mileposts in Brannon's story.  From Randleman, NC, home of racing's Richard Petty.  His father and coach was drafted 3rd round by the Mariner's in 1990.  The kid set state records this year in Hits, RBIs, and tied the HR record set by none other than his father.

Brannon had a .620 ba this year and 1.900 OPS. He is not a Realmuto athlete, and down the road could be a 3B or OF.  But has a great arm for a catcher.



https://twitter.com/KyleMortonHSOT/status/1549601992980533248?s=20&t=iKVjfLWc5Tt4hb7hIDuOyg

I thought he was supposed to go to college but I guess if he signed that's a different story.  As this board is dominated by Tar Heels (you, Mongo and me!), I know what you mean about him being highly touted in the area. 

Quote from: longgame on July 20, 2022, 07:48:46 AM

Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 20, 2022, 06:08:36 AM
Fred, a story out that Brannon has indeed signed with Sox.  I think the numbers for 9th round were $250k slot, but they cobbled up $750 in his deal.
i guess all those college pitchers they drafted in the early rounds, with little leverage, will help pay for Brannon. As a N.C. native I see a lot of mileposts in Brannon's story.  From Randleman, NC, home of racing's Richard Petty.  His father and coach was drafted 3rd round by the Mariner's in 1990.  The kid set state records this year in Hits, RBIs, and tied the HR record set by none other than his father.

Brannon had a .620 ba this year and 1.900 OPS. He is not a Realmuto athlete, and down the road could be a 3B or OF.  But has a great arm for a catcher.



https://twitter.com/KyleMortonHSOT/status/1549601992980533248?s=20&t=iKVjfLWc5Tt4hb7hIDuOyg

I thought he was supposed to go to college but I guess if he signed that's a different story.  As this board is dominated by Tar Heels (you, Mongo and me!), I know what you mean about him being highly touted in the area.

Ted, as a UNC alum, this one was bittersweet for me.  Lots of UNC fans were upset that Boston signed him.  And one guy I know said it was Sox payback for Steinbrenner funding UNC baseball facilities and having one or more daughters go to college there.

Whatever you think of Keith Law, his synopsis of Boston’s draft at the top,

Romero: polished, good ball/ strike recognition, started to hit for power which took him from someone likely to be a regular to maybe more.

Coffey: huge problems with offspeed. Better in spring but only against worse competition. Lot of risk. He said elsewhere that he was so bad with the bat that they converted him to a pitcher.

Anthony: trouble with offspeed, vulnerable to hard stuff in.

Dalton Rogers: 90-94, with a solid average change up, straight reliever only.

Meidroth: below avg power

Dean 93-96 fastball. Can’t throw any other pitches for strikes. If he had better control might have future as a middle reliever

Law has had some good reviews on three of our picks, (maybe you catch Law on a good day)

Romero: “He started to show more power later in the spring, which might take him from someone very likely to be a regular but unlikely to be more to a guy with some ceiling.”

Coffey: “if (spring) improvement is real, first round upside”

Anthony: “Plus power and prototypical build for a corner outfielder”

Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 20, 2022, 07:56:00 AM

Quote from: longgame on July 20, 2022, 07:48:46 AM

Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 20, 2022, 06:08:36 AM
Fred, a story out that Brannon has indeed signed with Sox.  I think the numbers for 9th round were $250k slot, but they cobbled up $750 in his deal.
i guess all those college pitchers they drafted in the early rounds, with little leverage, will help pay for Brannon. As a N.C. native I see a lot of mileposts in Brannon's story.  From Randleman, NC, home of racing's Richard Petty.  His father and coach was drafted 3rd round by the Mariner's in 1990.  The kid set state records this year in Hits, RBIs, and tied the HR record set by none other than his father.

Brannon had a .620 ba this year and 1.900 OPS. He is not a Realmuto athlete, and down the road could be a 3B or OF.  But has a great arm for a catcher.



https://twitter.com/KyleMortonHSOT/status/1549601992980533248?s=20&t=iKVjfLWc5Tt4hb7hIDuOyg

I thought he was supposed to go to college but I guess if he signed that's a different story.  As this board is dominated by Tar Heels (you, Mongo and me!), I know what you mean about him being highly touted in the area.

Ted, as a UNC alum, this one was bittersweet for me.  Lots of UNC fans were upset that Boston signed him.  And one guy I know said it was Sox payback for Steinbrenner funding UNC baseball facilities and having one or more daughters go to college there.

LOL.  Maybe so!

This is pretty cool item:

QuoteBrannon far surpassed the previous NCHSAA record of 62 RBIs with an eye-popping 91 this season, and his 61 home runs gave him a share of the state record in that category â€" tying his father, Paul.

Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 20, 2022, 06:08:36 AM
Fred, a story out that Brannon has indeed signed with Sox.  I think the numbers for 9th round were $250k slot, but they cobbled up $750 in his deal.
i guess all those college pitchers they drafted in the early rounds, with little leverage, will help pay for Brannon. As a N.C. native I see a lot of mileposts in Brannon's story.  From Randleman, NC, home of racing's Richard Petty.  His father and coach was drafted 3rd round by the Mariner's in 1990.  The kid set state records this year in Hits, RBIs, and tied the HR record set by none other than his father.

Brannon had a .620 ba this year and 1.900 OPS. He is not a Realmuto athlete, and down the road could be a 3B or OF.  But has a great arm for a catcher.



https://twitter.com/KyleMortonHSOT/status/1549601992980533248?s=20&t=iKVjfLWc5Tt4hb7hIDuOyg

Sea Dog, in my opinion we are up to our sweetbreads in third base and outfield prospects.  What we need is a good young power hitting catching prospect who can throw and looks like a possible comer.  I like this Brannon pick and hope he measures up to what I think he could be.  I  like his background and record as a young player and he is still young enough in the tooth to develop into a future stalwart.

One side note. I do not like this All Star break draft scheduling thing in the least bit.Too much happening all at once. Theo Epstein once called the draft the most important time of the year. In that vein, I want my GM focusing on improving the current big league team with 2-4 weeks left before trade deadline, not overseeing the draft. It's too much.

I know teams have been waiting until the last minute to make their deals anyhow, but this turns that trend into a self fulfilling prophecy IMO.

I've been looking over the draft picks and signings. Here are the first 10 rounds and the related signings. The money shown is what they signed for, that pick's slot value and the difference as I did some quick head math over coffee. See if you can spot the pattern here.

1 (24): Mikey Romero, SS, Orange Lutheran HS (Calif.) -- $2.3 million (Pick value: $2,976,400) (-$676k)
2 (41): Cutter Coffey, SS, Liberty HS (Calif.) -- $1.85 million (Pick value: $1,906,500) (+$56k)
2C (79): Roman Anthony, OF, Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS (Fla.) -- $2.5 million (Pick value: $820,400)($1.6M)
3 (99): Dalton Rogers, LHP, Southern Mississippi -- $447,500 (Pick value: $617,500) (+$170k)
4 (129): Chase Meidroth, SS, University of San Diego -- $272,500 (Pick value: $461,200) (+$190k)
5 (159): Noah Dean, LHP, Old Dominion -- $325,000 (Pick value: $344,000) (+$19k)
6 (189): Alex Hoppe, RHP, UNC Greensboro -- $32,500 (Pick value: $266,400)(-$233k)
7 (219): Caleb Bolden, RHP, TCU -- $7,500 (Pick value: $208,800) (-$201k)
8 (249): Jonathan Brand, RHP, Miami University (OH) -- $7,500 (Pick value: $173,200)(-$165k)
9 (279): Brooks Bannon, C, Randleman HS (NC) -- $712,500 (Pick value: $158,200) (+$550k)
10 (309): Isaac Coffey, RHP, Oral Roberts -- $7,500 (Pick value: $150,000) (-$142k)
Rounds 11-20 had 4 players sign out of 10 picks.

Total available Draft Pool $$ for rounds 1-10 this year for the Red Sox was $8.079M
Total used Draft Pool $$ for rounds 1-10 this year for the Red Sox was $8.5M (a hair under 5% over allotment, which results in a very minor fine)

The strategy was to land a few draftees below slot money to be able to offer others above slot money. The players above slot money are those that slide due to signability concerns. The players below slot often agree to such a thing beforehand so that they can get drafter at a higher round for whatever reasons they may have for doing so.  The do lose leverage bit by bit as they age, the worst being a graduating college Sr. The highest leveraged are HS studs who have committed to college and need to be enticed to sign a pro contract.

So we got our 1st round pick for under slot. We gave most of that difference to our 9th rounder. That gave the 9th rounder money that a high 3rd rounder might have gotten.  We gave 2C more money than we gave our 1st rounder as he had committed and teams did not take a chance.  That money came from low-leverage picks. Our 6th, 7th, 8th and 10th round picks. All of them pitchers. College pitchers. 4th year college pitchers, to be precise. Keith Law doesn't think a whole lot of them, but it looks like he loves to point out only the players' defects in his little write-up. Well, many of them, anyhow.

Point is, we went all in on highly touted HS position players and went with low-cost, very sign-able College veteran pitchers for the rest. I cannot help but think that this is a continued lopsided position player draft when we could really use some quality BP arms sooner than later. On paper, a college veteran should be close to just a few years away. Talent-wise, though, did we actually land pitchers worthy of 5th thru 10th round selections? Only one of these guys had pre-draft video on the MLB draft site. Our 5th rounder, the only one of them that got anything close to the slot value. The 3rd rounder did get 2/3rds of his slot value. Pretty good, but he did have 1 year left to give up.

The upside is that we could have ended up with 1-2 additional decent upper level prospects? Only a few of them make it, anyhow. Why not? We can always go to Filenes' Basement for BP help.