YANKEES V RED SOX
SATURDAY, AUGUST 19, 2017, 7 PM AT FENWAY PARK
TV: NESN, YES, MLBN, (OUT-OF-MARKET ONLY)
NEW YORK, (65-56).................................................................................BOSTON, (70-51)
NEW YORK:
CC SABATHIA, LHP, 9-5, 4.05 ERA, 80K
Sabathia is expected to come off the disabled list to start Saturday's contest at
Fenway. He last started on August 8 at Toronto and was limited to three innings
(right-knee pain). Sabathia had a series of injections in the knee in order to recover.
BOSTON:
CHRIS SALE, LHP, 14-4, 2.51 ERA, 241K
Despite being dominant (1.19 ERA) in all of his three starts vs the Yankees in 2017,
Sale is still looking at his first rivalry wirl. Sale has held the Bombers to a 1.88 average in
the three starts. He is 4-2 with a 1.18 ERA lifetime vs New York.
Sale looks to extend dominance vs. Yanks, CC
Brian Hoch
True to form, Chris Sale has dominated the Yankees each of the three times that he has faced them this season, yet those efforts have yet to be rewarded with a victory. He will try again on Saturday at Fenway Park as the Red Sox host their closest American League East challengers in the second game of a three-game series.
The AL Cy Young Award favorite will square off against CC Sabathia, having held New York to four runs (three earned) in 22 2/3 innings (1.19 ERA), striking out 35. Still, if Rafael Devers hadn't hit a late homer off Aroldis Chapman last weekend in the Bronx, Boston could have fallen to 0-3 in Sale's starts against the Yanks, who trail the Red Sox by five games in the AL East.
"I think we expect games to be very similar [to what] we had in New York," Red Sox manager John Farrell said.
"They're going to be hard-fought, they're going to be well-played. They've done a very good job of keeping us at bay with men in scoring position. To me, that's kind of the overriding thing throughout the first 12 games we've played."
Sale struck out 12 and allowed one run over seven innings in that Sunday effort, permitting just four hits and two walks, and the left-hander is on pace to shatter Pedro Martinez's single-season club record of 313 strikeouts, set in 1999. Sale has 241 whiffs going into Saturday's start.
"I'm actually a little bit shocked because I've never seen something like it," Martinez said. "I know that you guys said you saw it in me but I never saw what I was doing, really. I never stopped to look at what was going on. Now that I'm seeing Chris Sale, I can now understand why the Boston fans got so excited every time I went out."
Sabathia has excelled against the Red Sox this season, winning both of his starts while hurling 14 scoreless innings. He is scheduled to be activated from the disabled list, having been limited to just three innings in his last outing on Aug. 8 at Toronto due to an arthritic right knee that will eventually require surgery. The pain was so intense, a crestfallen Sabathia later acknowledged that he considered the possibility that his season -- and perhaps even his career -- might be over.
"Because it hurt. It's just not worth it," Sabathia said. "I go out there and I could throw four innings and hurt. I've pitched for a long time now, so I'm not doing this for money or anything like that. I'm doing this for fun and to try to win a championship. If I can't have fun and help this team win, then there's no need for me to be out there."
An MRI taken in New York revealed no significant damage to the knee, and Sabathia's discomfort was quelled in part by injections of cortisone, platelet-rich plasma and stem cells. Sabathia said that he is excited to get back on the mound, and that he shouldn't be affected by facing a pitcher of Sale's caliber.
"I've been pitching a long time," Sabathia said. "I've faced Pedro and [other] Hall of Famers, so I had to learn that lesson, that you're not really going up against that guy. You're going up against their lineup. You just kind of go out and stay the course."
THREE THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME
• Chase Headley is one of the few Yankees who has hit Sale well in his career. Headley is 7-for-23 (.304) with a double, two homers and two RBIs against Sale, who has also allowed seven hits in 19 at-bats (.368) to Aaron Hicks.
• Sabathia has faced Jackie Bradley Jr. (5-for-26, .192) and Xander Bogaerts (4-for-24, .167) more than any other active Red Sox players, and both have struggled. Mookie Betts (6-for-17, .353) has been a tough matchup for the veteran.
• Former Yankee Eduardo Nunez is hitting .361 (30-for-83) with 10 extra-base hits and 13 RBIs in 18 games with the Red Sox since being acquired from the Giants.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/20170818249291308/sale-looks-to-extend-dominance-vs-yanks-cc/?game_pk=491936
Tonight vs NYY.
Núñez 2B,
Betts RF,
Benintendi LF,
Ramirez 1B,
Young DH,
Bogaerts SS,
Devers 3B,
Leon C,
Bradley Jr. CF,
Sale LHP.
Saturday night BASEBALL at its best !! Red Sox , YANK$ and Chris Sale !!! Go SOX, keep the train moving !!! thumb_u rofl
Quote from: Bill-806 on August 19, 2017, 07:41:55 AM
Saturday night BASEBALL at its best !! Red Sox , YANK$ and Chris Sale !!! Go SOX, keep the train moving !!! thumb_u rofl
At least with Sale pitching they should be able to keep it under 4 hours tonight.
They're long game but you don't see anyone moving out early.
Go Sox
Please, no letup tonight. Keep the line moving in our direction. Sabathia has been tough on us this year and we owe him one, and more important the Red Sox owe themselves a chance to widen their lead in the division after failing until recently to make a real move in that direction. Let's win tonight and take the series and then tomorrow who knows. Do NOT let the Yankees to do us what we did to them last weekend the last two games between us. Time to really strap it on. We need another top notch performance from Chris Sale and some real batting support to sustain him.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2017, 03:35:30 PM
Please, no letup tonight. Keep the line moving in our direction. Sabathia has been tough on us this year and we owe him one, and more important the Red Sox owe themselves a chance to widen their lead in the division after failing until recently to make a real move in that direction. Let's win tonight and take the series and then tomorrow who knows. Do NOT let the Yankees to do us what we did to them last weekend the last two games between us. Time to really strap it on. We need another top notch performance from Chris Sale and some real batting support to sustain him.
Sabatha is broken down & at the end of the line.... SOX should have him outer there by the end of the 4th inning !!! GO SOX, STOMP those YANK$ !! thumb_u rofl
Quote from: Bill-806 on August 19, 2017, 04:50:15 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2017, 03:35:30 PM
Please, no letup tonight. Keep the line moving in our direction. Sabathia has been tough on us this year and we owe him one, and more important the Red Sox owe themselves a chance to widen their lead in the division after failing until recently to make a real move in that direction. Let's win tonight and take the series and then tomorrow who knows. Do NOT let the Yankees to do us what we did to them last weekend the last two games between us. Time to really strap it on. We need another top notch performance from Chris Sale and some real batting support to sustain him.
Sabatha is broken down & at the end of the line.... SOX should have him outer there by the end of the 4th inning !!! GO SOX, STOMP those YANK$ !! thumb_u rofl
I wish you to be right but it's the Yankees and when we play them most anything goes. We have taken turns on breaking each other's hearts the past dozen or so years. Take nothing for granted and bear down. That is the best and only way I know to give us a better than even chance to come out on top tonight.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2017, 05:11:07 PM
Quote from: Bill-806 on August 19, 2017, 04:50:15 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2017, 03:35:30 PM
Please, no letup tonight. Keep the line moving in our direction. Sabathia has been tough on us this year and we owe him one, and more important the Red Sox owe themselves a chance to widen their lead in the division after failing until recently to make a real move in that direction. Let's win tonight and take the series and then tomorrow who knows. Do NOT let the Yankees to do us what we did to them last weekend the last two games between us. Time to really strap it on. We need another top notch performance from Chris Sale and some real batting support to sustain him.
Sabatha is broken down & at the end of the line.... SOX should have him outer there by the end of the 4th inning !!! GO SOX, STOMP those YANK$ !! thumb_u rofl
I wish you to be right but it's the Yankees and when we play them most anything goes. We have taken turns on breaking each other's hearts the past dozen or so years. Take nothing for granted and bear down. That is the best and only way I know to give us a better than even chance to come out on top tonight.
B I N G O dat.... Keep your eye on the BALL, it should be fun !! thumb_u rofl
This ain't supposed to be happening.
This Ump has missed at least four pitches so far.
Quote from: elktonnick on August 19, 2017, 06:39:31 PM
This Ump has missed at least four pitches so far.
Judging from the score, the Sox batters have missed a lot more pitches than that.
Leon gets the Sox on the board.
JBJ drives in another one.
Sale picked a bad night to have a bad night.
Raffy again. Kid is amazing.
Bogaerts continues to look bad at the plate. I swear his mechanics are all screwed up. Devers on the other hand looks tremendous.
Speaking of Devers why does Farrell have him hitting 7th? This is yet another reason to question our manager's judgement.
AB K's but makes it to first. Now Hanley can end it.
Or not.
They'd rather face XB than Moreland.
Play at any base, or he K's.
Way to go, Xander.
XB can't hit a breaking ball. Once again he looks awful at the plate. Giardi has as much confidence in Bogaerts in the clutch as does Fred.
Quote from: markj on August 19, 2017, 08:47:50 PM
They'd rather face XB than Moreland.
I guess we saw why. He shrinks with men on base, it's amazing.
Ha! Ellis nailed at home. Very cool.
Ugh! Kelly? Think I'd have left Scott in.
Quote from: longgame on August 19, 2017, 09:00:23 PM
Quote from: markj on August 19, 2017, 08:47:50 PM
They'd rather face XB than Moreland.
I guess we saw why. He shrinks with men on base, it's amazing.
It would seem so. But, I think it is more systemic than that. His mechanics are all screwed up and he isn't seeing the breaking balls. He is in more than a slump.
Dammit. Forget the damn runner and pitch!
Argh!!
Whew, out of it. Glad Judge is slumping a bit.
Can the Sox get to Betances?
Another lucky break on a K.
Oh, c'mon. Why didn't JBJ swing at that?
Pathetic AB to end the game. Nice going, JBJ.
Quote from: elktonnick on August 19, 2017, 08:19:49 PM
Bogaerts continues to look bad at the plate. I swear his mechanics are all screwed up. Devers on the other hand looks tremendous.
Elk---simply put, Bogaerts is a choker through and through. I don't know what it will take to convince my friends on this board that this guy simply cannot come through when the chips are down. I had no doubt whatsoever that when he came up with men on base in the eighth that we would fail and most likely strike out. He is the worst clutch hitter I've seen since Raul Mondesi. Sure, there were others who failed to hit when it counted tonight but most of the other players have proven that they can get a key hit with runners on base. Bogaerts can't and except for a spell in 2015 he hasn't been the guy you want up there when the chips are down Elk. In fact, he is the last guy I want up there.
Pretty bad when the only big threat the Sox really had was an inning in which the Sox had 4 outs (3 of which were strike outs) an intentional walk and a double. Sox were 1/7 with runners in scoring position. Hard to win that way.
The only big threat the Sox have is Devers right now. The others are either pathetic (Ramirez, Bogaerts) or on/off (Beni, Betts, Bradley, Nunez).
The NYY are making this a REAL race for the division because they can hit HRs. And if Porcello starts tomorrow, the best seats in the house will be the bleachers and on top of the Green Monster (for NYY fans)
Quote from: ipot on August 19, 2017, 11:44:50 PM
The only big threat the Sox have is Devers right now. The others are either pathetic (Ramirez, Bogaerts) or on/off (Beni, Betts, Bradley, Nunez).
The NYY are making this a REAL race for the division because they can hit HRs. And if Porcello starts tomorrow, the best seats in the house will be the bleachers and on top of the Green Monster (for NYY fans)
CONCUR, in the A L EAST, ya need more than 3 runs to win..... Stay with it boys, SUNDAY is a must !!!
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2017, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on August 19, 2017, 08:19:49 PM
Bogaerts continues to look bad at the plate. I swear his mechanics are all screwed up. Devers on the other hand looks tremendous.
Elk---simply put, Bogaerts is a choker through and through. I don't know what it will take to convince my friends on this board that this guy simply cannot come through when the chips are down. I had no doubt whatsoever that when he came up with men on base in the eighth that we would fail and most likely strike out. He is the worst clutch hitter I've seen since Raul Mondesi. Sure, there were others who failed to hit when it counted tonight but most of the other players have proven that they can get a key hit with runners on base. Bogaerts can't and except for a spell in 2015 he hasn't been the guy you want up there when the chips are down Elk. In fact, he is the last guy I want up there.
Dismissing Bogaerts as a choker misses the more important point. He looks terrible at the plate regardless of the situation. He consistently fails to lay off a down and away breaking ball. Even if hits hits one he usually rolls it over for an easy ground out.
Both his approach at the plate and his hitting mechanics are all screwed up (sorry for repeating myself here) He is lunging at the ball with his choppy swing (even Chili Davis commented on his chopping at the ball.) He never should have been played after his wrist injury. That injury just resulted in further deterioration of his swing.
I'd sit him down for a couple of days. It is clear that his hitting woes seems to cause him to lose focus in the field IMHO
Quote from: elktonnick on August 20, 2017, 07:17:33 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2017, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on August 19, 2017, 08:19:49 PM
Bogaerts continues to look bad at the plate. I swear his mechanics are all screwed up. Devers on the other hand looks tremendous.
Elk---simply put, Bogaerts is a choker through and through. I don't know what it will take to convince my friends on this board that this guy simply cannot come through when the chips are down. I had no doubt whatsoever that when he came up with men on base in the eighth that we would fail and most likely strike out. He is the worst clutch hitter I've seen since Raul Mondesi. Sure, there were others who failed to hit when it counted tonight but most of the other players have proven that they can get a key hit with runners on base. Bogaerts can't and except for a spell in 2015 he hasn't been the guy you want up there when the chips are down Elk. In fact, he is the last guy I want up there.
Dismissing Bogaerts as a choker misses the more important point. He looks terrible at the plate regardless of the situation. He consistently fails to lay off a down and away breaking ball. Even if hits hits one he usually rolls it over for an easy ground out.
Both his approach at the plate and his hitting mechanics are all screwed up (sorry for repeating myself here) He is lunging at the ball with his choppy swing (even Chili Davis commented on his chopping at the ball.) He never should have been played after his wrist injury. That injury just resulted in further deterioration of his swing.
I'd sit him down for a couple of days. It is clear that his hitting woes seems to cause him to lose focus in the field IMHO
He IS NOT a CHOKER, It is all in the WRIST and if the wrist is hurt, ya can't swing a bat..... In July and early August the team was playing so/so and he never got a chance to heal....Should have been D L'd ....& I will stand by that !!! slap rofl
Quote from: Bill-806 on August 20, 2017, 06:27:05 AM
Quote from: ipot on August 19, 2017, 11:44:50 PM
The only big threat the Sox have is Devers right now. The others are either pathetic (Ramirez, Bogaerts) or on/off (Beni, Betts, Bradley, Nunez).
The NYY are making this a REAL race for the division because they can hit HRs. And if Porcello starts tomorrow, the best seats in the house will be the bleachers and on top of the Green Monster (for NYY fans)
CONCUR, in the A L EAST, ya need more than 3 runs to win..... Stay with it boys, SUNDAY is a must !!!
And please my friend don't allow yourself to get carried away with over the top optimism as you showed yesterday when you dissed Sabathia as an injured has-been. These are the Yankees and they want that division title, and our front office and stupid manager still will not acknowledge that they needs to fine tune this team and get one guy out of the lineup before he sets a new record for leaving runners on base. Today is no bed of roses either and we have a guy on the mound who still cannot get his ball to sink consistently. That could lead to a couple of moon shots and we have to hit a few of our own and put enough tallies on the board to win this rubber game. It is going to be a challenge, but with designated loser Fister ready to get reamed on Monday a win this afternoon is almost a mandatory operation.
Quote from: Bill-806 on August 20, 2017, 08:12:20 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on August 20, 2017, 07:17:33 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on August 19, 2017, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on August 19, 2017, 08:19:49 PM
Bogaerts continues to look bad at the plate. I swear his mechanics are all screwed up. Devers on the other hand looks tremendous.
Elk---simply put, Bogaerts is a choker through and through. I don't know what it will take to convince my friends on this board that this guy simply cannot come through when the chips are down. I had no doubt whatsoever that when he came up with men on base in the eighth that we would fail and most likely strike out. He is the worst clutch hitter I've seen since Raul Mondesi. Sure, there were others who failed to hit when it counted tonight but most of the other players have proven that they can get a key hit with runners on base. Bogaerts can't and except for a spell in 2015 he hasn't been the guy you want up there when the chips are down Elk. In fact, he is the last guy I want up there.
Dismissing Bogaerts as a choker misses the more important point. He looks terrible at the plate regardless of the situation. He consistently fails to lay off a down and away breaking ball. Even if hits hits one he usually rolls it over for an easy ground out.
Both his approach at the plate and his hitting mechanics are all screwed up (sorry for repeating myself here) He is lunging at the ball with his choppy swing (even Chili Davis commented on his chopping at the ball.) He never should have been played after his wrist injury. That injury just resulted in further deterioration of his swing.
I'd sit him down for a couple of days. It is clear that his hitting woes seems to cause him to lose focus in the field IMHO
He IS NOT a CHOKER, It is all in the WRIST and if the wrist is hurt, ya can't swing a bat..... In July and early August the team was playing so/so and he never got a chance to heal....Should have been D L'd ....& I will stand by that !!! slap rofl
Sure, his wrist has been a big problem for him and he should have been put on the DL, but his inability to hit with men on base has been a recurring problem since he came up. He didn't have a bad wrist in 2014 and hit 133 with runners in scoring position. As Elk said, though, he needs to be sat down for a few games to get his head cleared and to have that wrist checked. My fear is that a close game today might see him come up as he did last night in a do or die situation and we die.
If Pedroia was available I suspect XB would have a few days off.