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Title: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Bear on July 29, 2017, 01:39:03 AM
ROYALS V RED SOX

SATURDAY, JULY 29, 2017, 7 PM AT FENWAY PARK

TV:  NEN, FS-KC

KANSAS, (54-47)...........................................................................................BOSTON, (56-48)

KANSAS:

TREVOR CAHILL, RHP, 4-3, 3.69 ERA, 72K

Cahill will make his first start for the Royals since being acquired from the Padres
on Monday.  In 11 starts with San Diego this season, Cahill had a 3.69 ERA.  He gave
up five earned runs in 3 2/3 innins in his last start.

BOSTON:

EDUARDO RODRIGUEZ, LHP, 4-3, 3.89 ERA, 79K

The lefty hasn't been able to get a groove in his two starts back from the DL.  The
last time out, Rodriguez gave up six hits and four runs over 5 1/3 innings in a loss to
the Mariners.  Rodriguez is 1-1 with a 4.08 ERA in three career starts vs Kansas City.

Cahill debuts for KC as Red Sox host Royals

Evan Chronis

Newly acquired starter Trevor Cahill will make his debut for the Royals Saturday night when they face the Red Sox in the second game of a three-game series at Fenway Park.

The right-hander, who was traded from the Padres on Monday in a deal that also brought pitchers Ryan Buchter and Brandon Maurer to Kansas City, will be looking to pilot the Royals to their 10th straight victory after they won the series opener on Friday.

Cahill went 4-3 in 11 starts for San Diego this season, posting a 3.69 ERA. In his final start for the Padres, the righty recorded a no-decision against the Giants after giving up six runs (five earned) in 3 2/3 innings.

Left-hander Eduardo Rodriguez (4-3, 3.89 ERA) will make his third start for the Red Sox since coming back from a stint on the disabled list with a right knee subluxation. He gave up six hits and four runs in 5 1/3 innings against the Mariners his last time out, taking the loss.

The southpaw was originally scheduled to start in Sunday's series finale, but he was moved up a day due to David Price missing Friday's start after being placed on the disabled list.

Rodriguez will be glad to be back pitching at Fenway Park, where he's 1-0 with a 2.38 ERA in four starts this season. The lefty has allowed three or fewer earned runs in each of his home starts in 2017.

THREE THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME

• Cahill is familiar with the Red Sox newest addition, Eduardo Nunez, who was traded from the Giants on Wednesday. Both players started the year in the National League West, and Nunez is 4-for-13 against the righty.

• In the few times they've faced each other, Rodriguez has continually gotten the better of Lorenzo Cain. The Royals center fielder is 0-for-9 lifetime against the left-hander.

• Rodriguez is 1-1 with a 4.08 ERA in three career starts vs. the Royals.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/20170728244992806/cahill-debuts-for-kc-as-red-sox-host-royals/?game_pk=491650
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Bear on July 29, 2017, 01:39:19 AM
New lineup.

Betts RF,
Núñez 2B,
Benintendi LF,
Ramirez DH,
Bradley CF,
Bogaerts SS,
Moreland 1B,
Vázquez C,
Devers 3B,

Rodriguez
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on July 29, 2017, 11:52:32 AM
KC 5  Sox 2 = final score.  I hope my tea leaves are wrong.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: SeaBeachFred on July 29, 2017, 02:53:44 PM
Quote from: ipot on July 29, 2017, 11:52:32 AM
KC 5  Sox 2 = final score.  I hope my tea leaves are wrong.

We actually get two runs after exhausting ourselves last night getting a duo??  Don't count on it.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on July 29, 2017, 03:46:15 PM
Why are two guys who should be on the DL starting?
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Rob from Mass on July 29, 2017, 04:00:52 PM
Yanks won in the 9th so without our Sox winning tonight the deficit will be  3.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on July 29, 2017, 04:30:51 PM
And why is the best hitter on the team, Pedroia, not playing.  Not a time to get a rest, they had a day off Thursday.  Even if it was his "time" to get a rest, you have to bring all of your horses the day after you get knocked out of first place. 
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Bill-806 on July 29, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
  Another MUST win !!! thumb_u rofl
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: SeaBeachFred on July 29, 2017, 06:00:19 PM
Elk and Ted, the answer to your question can be answered in two words.......MORON FARRELL.  Is there now any rhyme or reason why  that guy should be canned by the end of the weekend?  He is the most miserable excuse for a manager around.  Resting our best hitter, starting again two of the worst slumpers in the game......and he expects to win.  My only difference with you two is that you think DD is determined to keep Farrell while I still believe that he has been placed off limits by Henry.  Either way we're stuck with this bum.  Think of Dave Roberts, a second year manager and Torey Lovullo, a first year one.  Can Farrell even on his best day carry these two men's jock straps.  Now you know why we're headed into the infernal reaches of defeat, decay and destruction.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on July 29, 2017, 07:04:33 PM
Bogaerts with the bonehead play of the month.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ojdidit on July 29, 2017, 07:15:46 PM
Walk....K....Walk.....K.....Walk.....K....Find a rythm. I thought XB was just soooo exciting!
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on July 29, 2017, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: longgame on July 29, 2017, 04:30:51 PM
And why is the best hitter on the team, Pedroia, not playing.  Not a time to get a rest, they had a day off Thursday.  Even if it was his "time" to get a rest, you have to bring all of your horses the day after you get knocked out of first place.

Not playing because his knee is acting up today.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ojdidit on July 29, 2017, 07:48:40 PM
E-Rod just didn't have it.  Control terrible from the first batter on.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on July 29, 2017, 07:50:56 PM
Quote from: ojdidit on July 29, 2017, 07:48:40 PM
E-Rod just didn't have it.  Control terrible from the first batter on.

Didn't have it and really bad luck the guy gets a hr on a routine out anywhere else in baseball.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Sea Dog 23 on July 29, 2017, 07:52:10 PM
Man, this is just brutal.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on July 29, 2017, 07:56:26 PM
Bogaerts makes his second bonehead play of the game.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 08:02:01 PM
And just like that the bottom of the order ties it up.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on July 29, 2017, 08:06:56 PM
Bogaerts base running has cost the Sox two runs.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: MongoLikeSox on July 29, 2017, 08:20:50 PM
I want to know what Rubin told XB before he took off for second base. Assuming anything was said.

The kid is pressing, but man,

Damn, 2 in a game? Nunez? Sweet!

Anyhow, the kid is pressing, but somewhere, somehow, there has got to be someone in his ear and talking to him between innings or whatever it takes to learn some situational baseball. Much of what we see on defense is the same thing. Overdoing it. that, and trying to look flashy. I've wondered if they have any control over him.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on July 29, 2017, 08:23:02 PM
Nunez puts the Sox ahead.  He is a house afire right now.  So Farrell will obviously rest him tomorrow.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on July 29, 2017, 08:25:29 PM
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on July 29, 2017, 08:20:50 PM
I want to know what Rubin told XB before he took off for second base. Assuming anything was said.

The kid is pressing, but man,

Damn, 2 in a game? Nunez? Sweet!

Anyhow, the kid is pressing, but somewhere, somehow, there has got to be someone in his ear and talking to him between innings or whatever it takes to learn some situational baseball. Much of what we see on defense is the same thing. Overdoing it. that, and trying to look flashy. I've wondered if they have any control over him.

I think that is a systemic problem with this team as a whole, no situational awareness
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
I was hoping Devers left his error prone-ness in Pawtucket.

6-4 is good, though. Hope they can hold this lead.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on July 29, 2017, 08:44:35 PM
That type of throwing error is one that is easily corrected with game experience.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on July 29, 2017, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: markj on July 29, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
I was hoping Devers left his error prone-ness in Pawtucket.

6-4 is good, though. Hope they can hold this lead.

He took way to much time to throw it. Need to get it and throw it. Treat it like you have a fast runner going down the line. 
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 08:49:14 PM
So much for holding the lead.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 08:52:23 PM
Boyer has done nothing but crap on the mound since he came in.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on July 29, 2017, 08:53:35 PM
This is brutal.  Between Bogaerts and his run-prevention baserunning - probably lost us at least 3 runs.  Then Workman is the long man so he puts in Abad and okay, Abad gives him a good inning.  Why on earth would you ever run Abad back out there?  Classic Sox this year - can't stand prosperity and the few times they hit the pitching falls apart.   
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 08:54:16 PM
One thing I hate about NESN is their insistence on playing the same stupid commercial during every break. I'm sick to death of looking at Wahlberg and his rodent.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 08:58:48 PM
This game is heading south fast.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 09:06:01 PM
4-run inning finally comes to an end. And XB almost blew it with that lame throw to 1st. His head is not in the game at all lately.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 09:07:18 PM
Who is the dufus in the booth with OB tonight? I've taken it off mute twice and had to go back both times rather than listen to this drivel. Bad enough we have to watch the Sox blow the game, do we need to listen to this crap as well?

(As you can tell, I'm in a great mood tonight.)
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on July 29, 2017, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: markj on July 29, 2017, 08:58:48 PM
This game is heading south fast.
How can you call this game fast? 3hours and only 5 and half innings played.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on July 29, 2017, 09:14:59 PM
Quote from: longgame on July 29, 2017, 08:53:35 PM
This is brutal.  Between Bogaerts and his run-prevention baserunning - probably lost us at least 3 runs.  Then Workman is the long man so he puts in Abad and okay, Abad gives him a good inning.  Why on earth would you ever run Abad back out there?  Classic Sox this year - can't stand prosperity and the few times they hit the pitching falls apart.

Abad did ok. Gave up a hit in the 5th and no runs. Gave up 1 walk & 1 earned run in the 6th. Were only 2 earned in the 6th out of the 4 scored. 2 errors in an inning will kill you.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on July 29, 2017, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: markj on July 29, 2017, 09:07:18 PM
Who is the dufus in the booth with OB tonight? I've taken it off mute twice and had to go back both times rather than listen to this drivel. Bad enough we have to watch the Sox blow the game, do we need to listen to this crap as well?

(As you can tell, I'm in a great mood tonight.)

Same guy as last night. Gomes.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: Schloicka on July 29, 2017, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: markj on July 29, 2017, 09:07:18 PM
Who is the dufus in the booth with OB tonight? I've taken it off mute twice and had to go back both times rather than listen to this drivel. Bad enough we have to watch the Sox blow the game, do we need to listen to this crap as well?

(As you can tell, I'm in a great mood tonight.)

Same guy as last night. Gomes.

Never took it off mute last night. If these are auditions, they're major fails.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on July 29, 2017, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: markj on July 29, 2017, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: Schloicka on July 29, 2017, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: markj on July 29, 2017, 09:07:18 PM
Who is the dufus in the booth with OB tonight? I've taken it off mute twice and had to go back both times rather than listen to this drivel. Bad enough we have to watch the Sox blow the game, do we need to listen to this crap as well?

(As you can tell, I'm in a great mood tonight.)

Same guy as last night. Gomes.

Never took it off mute last night. If these are auditions, they're major fails.

just fill ins until remy is back. eck should be back soon. was in cooperstown this weekend
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 09:53:54 PM
Okay, gotta give XB credit on that steal attempt. Helluva grab and tag. Decent enough throw by Vaz, but XB was the star there.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
Tied up, but the Sox favorite play, the GIDP, ends the threat.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 10:10:48 PM
Wow, Leon nails Gore stealing a base. Although I thought he looked safe.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
Kimbrel does his job and shuts them down.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 10:17:15 PM
Good hustle by Benintendi.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on July 29, 2017, 10:35:44 PM
Why did Farrell put Chokearts and Moreland back-to-back?  They are responsible for blowing the last 2 opportunities to pull this game out.

Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on July 29, 2017, 10:36:54 PM
Gawd, lose this one and the NYY 1.5 game lead will feel like a 20 game lead ::)
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 10:39:54 PM
Gomes needs a new tailor. Unbutton that suit coat a bit, dude.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 10:41:15 PM
Barnes done good.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on July 29, 2017, 10:44:19 PM
C'man put this away before Fister gets the call.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on July 29, 2017, 10:45:54 PM
Catchers' night at Fenway.  Leon with a leadoff double.   Let's win this
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 10:46:42 PM
Leon just missed ending this one.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on July 29, 2017, 10:54:32 PM
Another WP by KC. That's 5.  It's the only way  the Sox can get 5+ runs in a game.

Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 10:56:35 PM
What? Think this will survive review?
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on July 29, 2017, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: markj on July 29, 2017, 10:56:35 PM
What? Think this will survive review?

Yup.  Great job of dodgeball by Leon!
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 10:57:58 PM
Wow, it stood. Some idiot almost blinds Nunez. Good base running by Leon. Catchers' Night in Fenway indeed.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on July 29, 2017, 11:04:23 PM
If this is what Nunez brings. And I don't mean the HRs (which I'll gladly take), but the grit and commitment then he's a great pick up.  Xander Chokearts can sit if Devers is hitting well at 3B.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on July 29, 2017, 11:04:54 PM
Game winning rbi by Nunez. Leon with the athletic slide at the plate. Great job tonight by the Sox catchers throwing guys out. Game had a little of everything good & bad but we'll take it. Barnes with the win. Nunez with 2 hr's and 3 rbi.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on July 29, 2017, 11:08:01 PM
Quote from: Schloicka on July 29, 2017, 11:04:54 PM
Game winning rbi by Nunez. Leon with the athletic slide at the plate. Great job tonight by the Sox catchers throwing guys out. Game had a little of everything good & bad but we'll take it. Barnes with the win. Nunez with 2 hr's and 3 rbi.

Both good things.  thumb_u
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on July 29, 2017, 11:11:28 PM
Quote from: ipot on July 29, 2017, 11:04:23 PM
If this is what Nunez brings. And I don't mean the HRs (which I'll gladly take), but the grit and commitment then he's a great pick up.  Xander Chokearts can sit if Devers is hitting well at 3B.

Nunez has been hitting great since beginning of June. Play him until he drops. He's going to make an error here and there but he looks like an actual hitter at the plate.

Nunez was going to play SS tonight if Pedroia could of gone so they are going to get him into the lineup as much as possible at various spots.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: SeaBeachFred on July 29, 2017, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: longgame on July 29, 2017, 08:53:35 PM
This is brutal.  Between Bogaerts and his run-prevention baserunning - probably lost us at least 3 runs.  Then Workman is the long man so he puts in Abad and okay, Abad gives him a good inning.  Why on earth would you ever run Abad back out there?  Classic Sox this year - can't stand prosperity and the few times they hit the pitching falls apart.

This was one of Francona's biggest blunders when he managed the team his last three years here---trying to run guys out there for an extra inning after pitching one good one and testing his luck.  In 2009 as I remember, he had to go get the putrid Manny Delgarbage 14 times when he allowed him to start a second inning......14 damn times.  But he overcame that in Cleveland.  Farrell will never learn from his blunders because blunder is his calling card.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: SeaBeachFred on July 29, 2017, 11:51:31 PM
Quote from: markj on July 29, 2017, 09:06:01 PM
4-run inning finally comes to an end. And XB almost blew it with that lame throw to 1st. His head is not in the game at all lately.

I've said it over and over.  Trade Pukegaerts while he still has some trade value because this guy is sinking fast.  He is stupid, mentally dull, a lousy base runner, poor fielder and choker at the plate when the chips are down.  You guys see it now, right?  Does this guy sound like a player that can lead our team to a title of any kind?  Question answered tonight.

But I like Nunez already.  He is a hard nosed player which I didn't think he was and if he can play shortstop we might just start putting some runs on the board provided XB and Moreland ride the pine, but one win means nothing right now.  We still look like a team that is fundamentally unsound and our base running is still horse dung.  Still I'll take a win anytime.  We haven't had too many of them lately.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on July 30, 2017, 12:35:01 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 29, 2017, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: longgame on July 29, 2017, 08:53:35 PM
This is brutal.  Between Bogaerts and his run-prevention baserunning - probably lost us at least 3 runs.  Then Workman is the long man so he puts in Abad and okay, Abad gives him a good inning.  Why on earth would you ever run Abad back out there?  Classic Sox this year - can't stand prosperity and the few times they hit the pitching falls apart.

This was one of Francona's biggest blunders when he managed the team his last three years here---trying to run guys out there for an extra inning after pitching one good one and testing his luck.  In 2009 as I remember, he had to go get the putrid Manny Delgarbage 14 times when he allowed him to start a second inning......14 damn times.  But he overcame that in Cleveland.  Farrell will never learn from his blunders because blunder is his calling card.

Ok so why doesn't someone explain to me what Farrell's blunder was by having Abad come back out for a 2nd inning. Abad has been pitching well. Has gone more than 1 inning a few times. He gave up no runs his 1st inning. He faced only 3 hitters his 1st inning. So what is the reasoning for it being a blunder by Farrell to have Abad come back out? The 1st guy in the 6th got on by a 2 base error by our third baseman on a routine little league play. And Abad walked the 2nd guy which wasn't all that bad because it does set up a double play chance. Abad had very little to do with it being a 4 run inning. Should of been a 1 run, 2 at the most inning. Looks like the error, the passed ball, the wild pitch and the 2 hits given up AFTER Abad left the game were a lot worse than Abad starting the inning.

So again explain to me in detail why it was a blunder to have Abad start the inning. Should be interesting!
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Bill-806 on July 30, 2017, 06:48:35 AM
  Needless to say, GOOD to get that win ......  Just a heads up, anyone notice that it looks like  E-ROD did not miss too many MEALS while on RE-HAB ??? iono slap
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ojdidit on July 30, 2017, 07:13:57 AM
The games on the West Coast trip ended before this one. Geez....this game should be the template for all that is wrong with watching a game.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on July 30, 2017, 07:18:27 AM
Quote from: Schloicka on July 30, 2017, 12:35:01 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 29, 2017, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: longgame on July 29, 2017, 08:53:35 PM
This is brutal.  Between Bogaerts and his run-prevention baserunning - probably lost us at least 3 runs.  Then Workman is the long man so he puts in Abad and okay, Abad gives him a good inning.  Why on earth would you ever run Abad back out there?  Classic Sox this year - can't stand prosperity and the few times they hit the pitching falls apart.

This was one of Francona's biggest blunders when he managed the team his last three years here---trying to run guys out there for an extra inning after pitching one good one and testing his luck.  In 2009 as I remember, he had to go get the putrid Manny Delgarbage 14 times when he allowed him to start a second inning......14 damn times.  But he overcame that in Cleveland.  Farrell will never learn from his blunders because blunder is his calling card.

Ok so why doesn't someone explain to me what Farrell's blunder was by having Abad come back out for a 2nd inning. Abad has been pitching well. Has gone more than 1 inning a few times. He gave up no runs his 1st inning. He faced only 3 hitters his 1st inning. So what is the reasoning for it being a blunder by Farrell to have Abad come back out? The 1st guy in the 6th got on by a 2 base error by our third baseman on a routine little league play. And Abad walked the 2nd guy which wasn't all that bad because it does set up a double play chance. Abad had very little to do with it being a 4 run inning. Should of been a 1 run, 2 at the most inning. Looks like the error, the passed ball, the wild pitch and the 2 hits given up AFTER Abad left the game were a lot worse than Abad starting the inning.

So again explain to me in detail why it was a blunder to have Abad start the inning. Should be interesting!
reminds me a lot of
Devers may be able to hit Major League pitching (still a question mark despite his two hits last night) but clearly his defense isn't ML ready.  The errors I saw were due to inexperience with playing at this level footwork getting himself set etc.  XB had similar issues hen he first came up. 

I still think it is a mistake to have brought him this quickly.  BTW I know Joe Foy hit from the right side but Devers reminds me a lot of the Sox Impossible Dream 3rd baseman.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Rob from Mass on July 30, 2017, 08:12:40 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 30, 2017, 07:18:27 AM
Quote from: Schloicka on July 30, 2017, 12:35:01 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 29, 2017, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: longgame on July 29, 2017, 08:53:35 PM
This is brutal.  Between Bogaerts and his run-prevention baserunning - probably lost us at least 3 runs.  Then Workman is the long man so he puts in Abad and okay, Abad gives him a good inning.  Why on earth would you ever run Abad back out there?  Classic Sox this year - can't stand prosperity and the few times they hit the pitching falls apart.

This was one of Francona's biggest blunders when he managed the team his last three years here---trying to run guys out there for an extra inning after pitching one good one and testing his luck.  In 2009 as I remember, he had to go get the putrid Manny Delgarbage 14 times when he allowed him to start a second inning......14 damn times.  But he overcame that in Cleveland.  Farrell will never learn from his blunders because blunder is his calling card.

Ok so why doesn't someone explain to me what Farrell's blunder was by having Abad come back out for a 2nd inning. Abad has been pitching well. Has gone more than 1 inning a few times. He gave up no runs his 1st inning. He faced only 3 hitters his 1st inning. So what is the reasoning for it being a blunder by Farrell to have Abad come back out? The 1st guy in the 6th got on by a 2 base error by our third baseman on a routine little league play. And Abad walked the 2nd guy which wasn't all that bad because it does set up a double play chance. Abad had very little to do with it being a 4 run inning. Should of been a 1 run, 2 at the most inning. Looks like the error, the passed ball, the wild pitch and the 2 hits given up AFTER Abad left the game were a lot worse than Abad starting the inning.

So again explain to me in detail why it was a blunder to have Abad start the inning. Should be interesting!
reminds me a lot of
Devers may be able to hit Major League pitching (still a question mark despite his two hits last night) but clearly his defense isn't ML ready.  The errors I saw were due to inexperience with playing at this level footwork getting himself set etc.  XB had similar issues hen he first came up. 

I still think it is a mistake to have brought him this quickly.  BTW I know Joe Foy hit from the right side but Devers reminds me a lot of the Sox Impossible Dream 3rd baseman.

Sox are hoping he improves with age but there is so much to improve for him at 3rd .That being said it would not surprise me one bit to see him trying out at 1st in ST .I still say he will wind up at DL within a year no more than 2 .Can not keep his huge potential of offense not being in the lineup.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: SeaBeachFred on July 30, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 30, 2017, 08:12:40 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 30, 2017, 07:18:27 AM
Quote from: Schloicka on July 30, 2017, 12:35:01 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 29, 2017, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: longgame on July 29, 2017, 08:53:35 PM
This is brutal.  Between Bogaerts and his run-prevention baserunning - probably lost us at least 3 runs.  Then Workman is the long man so he puts in Abad and okay, Abad gives him a good inning.  Why on earth would you ever run Abad back out there?  Classic Sox this year - can't stand prosperity and the few times they hit the pitching falls apart.

This was one of Francona's biggest blunders when he managed the team his last three years here---trying to run guys out there for an extra inning after pitching one good one and testing his luck.  In 2009 as I remember, he had to go get the putrid Manny Delgarbage 14 times when he allowed him to start a second inning......14 damn times.  But he overcame that in Cleveland.  Farrell will never learn from his blunders because blunder is his calling card.

Ok so why doesn't someone explain to me what Farrell's blunder was by having Abad come back out for a 2nd inning. Abad has been pitching well. Has gone more than 1 inning a few times. He gave up no runs his 1st inning. He faced only 3 hitters his 1st inning. So what is the reasoning for it being a blunder by Farrell to have Abad come back out? The 1st guy in the 6th got on by a 2 base error by our third baseman on a routine little league play. And Abad walked the 2nd guy which wasn't all that bad because it does set up a double play chance. Abad had very little to do with it being a 4 run inning. Should of been a 1 run, 2 at the most inning. Looks like the error, the passed ball, the wild pitch and the 2 hits given up AFTER Abad left the game were a lot worse than Abad starting the inning.

So again explain to me in detail why it was a blunder to have Abad start the inning. Should be interesting!
reminds me a lot of
Devers may be able to hit Major League pitching (still a question mark despite his two hits last night) but clearly his defense isn't ML ready.  The errors I saw were due to inexperience with playing at this level footwork getting himself set etc.  XB had similar issues hen he first came up. 

I still think it is a mistake to have brought him this quickly.  BTW I know Joe Foy hit from the right side but Devers reminds me a lot of the Sox Impossible Dream 3rd baseman.

Sox are hoping he improves with age but there is so much to improve for him at 3rd .That being said it would not surprise me one bit to see him trying out at 1st in ST .I still say he will wind up at DL within a year no more than 2 .Can not keep his huge potential of offense not being in the lineup.

Then who plays third???? Certainly not Bogaerts.....please.  No!!!!  You keep working with Devers and work on his footwork, body placement and body alignment.  Remember Wade Boggs came up and hit and hit but the worried themselves sick over his fielding at first go-round, but hard work made it possible for him to become a decent defensive third baseman.  Do the same with Devers.   We have a first baseman in the wings in Sam Travis.  I don't want him shunted aside while we have a new weakling at third base.  Devers and Travis must be our corner infielders next season-------with Farrell working somewhere else.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on July 30, 2017, 10:50:22 AM
From what I've seen of Devers so far I think most of his mistakes will be mental. And yes I consider him throwing the ball away last night more mental than physical. The problem last night was the fact he had to much time to think about it. He needs to be worked with on basically getting a rhythm to how he throws the ball no matter how much time he has. If it needs to be thrown quicker because of whose running that will happen without thinking about it.

Right now it's a trade off of a decent bat for the occasional mistake. Nunez will be the same way. Nunez has always been that way in his career. From what I have heard about Nunez is he's a hard worker but every player has a ceiling no matter how hard they work. Devers right now will be worked with a lot. If he takes it seriously he can improve. The question is what is his ceiling when playing defense?
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ojdidit on July 30, 2017, 11:04:27 AM
The scouting reports on Devers fielding ability that appear on MLB Pipeline, Baseball America and Sox prospects appear to be quite accurate.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Rob from Mass on July 30, 2017, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 30, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 30, 2017, 08:12:40 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 30, 2017, 07:18:27 AM
Quote from: Schloicka on July 30, 2017, 12:35:01 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 29, 2017, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: longgame on July 29, 2017, 08:53:35 PM
This is brutal.  Between Bogaerts and his run-prevention baserunning - probably lost us at least 3 runs.  Then Workman is the long man so he puts in Abad and okay, Abad gives him a good inning.  Why on earth would you ever run Abad back out there?  Classic Sox this year - can't stand prosperity and the few times they hit the pitching falls apart.

This was one of Francona's biggest blunders when he managed the team his last three years here---trying to run guys out there for an extra inning after pitching one good one and testing his luck.  In 2009 as I remember, he had to go get the putrid Manny Delgarbage 14 times when he allowed him to start a second inning......14 damn times.  But he overcame that in Cleveland.  Farrell will never learn from his blunders because blunder is his calling card.

Ok so why doesn't someone explain to me what Farrell's blunder was by having Abad come back out for a 2nd inning. Abad has been pitching well. Has gone more than 1 inning a few times. He gave up no runs his 1st inning. He faced only 3 hitters his 1st inning. So what is the reasoning for it being a blunder by Farrell to have Abad come back out? The 1st guy in the 6th got on by a 2 base error by our third baseman on a routine little league play. And Abad walked the 2nd guy which wasn't all that bad because it does set up a double play chance. Abad had very little to do with it being a 4 run inning. Should of been a 1 run, 2 at the most inning. Looks like the error, the passed ball, the wild pitch and the 2 hits given up AFTER Abad left the game were a lot worse than Abad starting the inning.

So again explain to me in detail why it was a blunder to have Abad start the inning. Should be interesting!
reminds me a lot of
Devers may be able to hit Major League pitching (still a question mark despite his two hits last night) but clearly his defense isn't ML ready.  The errors I saw were due to inexperience with playing at this level footwork getting himself set etc.  XB had similar issues hen he first came up. 

I still think it is a mistake to have brought him this quickly.  BTW I know Joe Foy hit from the right side but Devers reminds me a lot of the Sox Impossible Dream 3rd baseman.

Sox are hoping he improves with age but there is so much to improve for him at 3rd .That being said it would not surprise me one bit to see him trying out at 1st in ST .I still say he will wind up at DL within a year no more than 2 .Can not keep his huge potential of offense not being in the lineup.

Then who plays third???? Certainly not Bogaerts.....please.  No!!!!  You keep working with Devers and work on his footwork, body placement and body alignment.  Remember Wade Boggs came up and hit and hit but the worried themselves sick over his fielding at first go-round, but hard work made it possible for him to become a decent defensive third baseman.  Do the same with Devers.   We have a first baseman in the wings in Sam Travis.  I don't want him shunted aside while we have a new weakling at third base.  Devers and Travis must be our corner infielders next season-------with Farrell working somewhere else.

Your right about Boggs.He worked his tail off and became a good defensive player.That's the good part the bad is it took him around 7 years to age 27.As long as you don`t throw the guy to the wolves when he commits 30 plus E for the next few years. He was on pace for 40 plus this season in the minors.
Title: Re: GAME #105, KANSAS CITY ROYALS AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on July 30, 2017, 05:02:06 PM
Quote from: markj on July 29, 2017, 08:54:16 PM
One thing I hate about NESN is their insistence on playing the same stupid commercial during every break. I'm sick to death of looking at Wahlberg and his rodent.

I'm just happy they changed the Southwest commercial from the first half of the season.