Just a little fun as I wallow in my current state of Red Sox misery.
OK, so the 'Sox have been hot and heavy into several players including a couple of their own, only to fail for various reasons. I thought it would be interesting to created a team out of the players who rejected us after having serious interest in this off-season.
Update - Given the nature of these things, rumors and leaks are almost the only means of finding out who was on the list. To fill up a team, I'll include some of our own who have gotten traded or released.
The All Rejected & Ejected Red Sox team.
The known players to make the team.
C - Christian Vasquez - Bloom created this problem. Would have been affordable, too. Pathetic. He's on the list.
1B/DH - Jose Abreu
1B/DH - Eric Hosmer (there's gotta be something we don't know, right?)
SS - Xander Bogaerts
SS - Dansby Swanson (signed with the Cubs for 7 years, $177M. )
RF/DH - Mitch Haniger (Giants - 3 yr, $43.5M)
OF - Tommy Pham (Signed with Mets - I think we showed no interest.)
DH - JD Martinez (Dodgers for 1 yr, $10M - Sox offered a Minor League deal? Really?)
SP - Andrew Heaney (Wanted nothing to do with us)
SP - Nathan Eovaldi
SP(L) - Rich Hill
SP/RP - Zach Eflin
SP - Michael Wacha
RP(L) - Matt Strahm
RP - Tommy Kahnle (Yankees out bid us)
RP(L) - Josh Taylor (Traded to Royals for Mondesi and PTBNL)
RP(R) - Matt Barnes (DFA'd)
RP(R) - Andrew Politi (Rule 5 to ???)
SP/RP(R) - Thad Ward (Rule 5 to the Nationals)
SP - Noah Song (Rule 5 to the Phillies)
Depth Squad
2B - Hoy Park (The Braves repeated the Red Sox move and got him after a DFA. PTBNL)
SS - Jeter Downs (I thought he might get traded. Maybe if he clears waivers?)
SP(R) - Conner Seabold (DFA'd to make room for Kluber - then traded to Rockies. PTBNL)
DH - Franchy Cordero (It will be curious to see if the O's can turn this statcast darling into a useful piece.)
RP(L) - Darwinzon Hernandez (Cleared, Baltimore picked up.)
RP(R) - Franklin German
Free Agents We have Chased or are chasing
Kodai Senga (Mets 5yr, $75M) - Don't know if I'll include Senga. Almost every team kicked the tires on this one.
Lost Despite Best Efforts - TBD
(See the team above. Quite a few in there.)
Elvis Andrus - SS (Sox chasing him according to rumors on MLB)
Jerickson Profar - OF/IF (Another Sox pursuant according to MLB rumors.)
I'm sure we'll not fill an entire roster. There are other elements that could be interesting. Allowing fill-ins for players who needed to get traded and/or walked away peacefully have chances elsewhere. All to be determined(TBD), of course.
The Parting is sweet sorrow portion candidate player pool.
3B/1B - Bobby Dalbec (TBD - Potential potential trade bait)
CF - Jaren Duran (TBD - Potential trade bait)
The Lost Boys (aka Peter Pan division) - just in case they make their teams elsewhere.
SP(R) - Noah Song
RP - Jacob Wallace (AA)
We could do a hindsight is 20/20 to fill in holes as needed. We'll see. Obvious candidates being Martin Perez, Michael Chavis and Jay Groome.
Recent Past as needed for fill in types.
OF - Hunter Renfroe
OF - JBJ
3B - Nicholas Northcut
IF - Michael Chavis
SP(L) - Jay Groome
SP(L) - Martin Perez
UPDATED
12/7 - Moved Haniger to the definite lost out on him main list.
12/7 - Moved Strahm to the lost out on list.
12/9 - Added Bogey(sigh) and Tommy Kahnle
12/9 - Added a "Lost Boys" group for the 3 we lost in Rule-5.
12/9 - Added Heaney who we lost to a 20% less offer.
12/12 - cleaned up the player pool lists and added a few that are a stretch to make their new teams next year.
12/16 - Added Vasquez to the team because Bloom created the current catching cluster-f*** by trading him.
12/16 - Added Swanson to the list of free agents we're supposedly chasing.
12/16 - Added Devers to the trade bait list.
12/16 - Added Park to the potential lost boys list. We'll know soon enough.
12/17 - Eric Hosmer DFA'd and added Jacob Wallace to the Lost Boys section.
12/17 - Moved Hoy Park from the Lost Boys team to the MLB team after his trade to Atlanta.
12/17 - Swanson to the big team. 7 years, $177M to the Cubs - seems like a massive bargain.
12/18 - JDM added to the team.
12/18 - Added Justin Turner to the potential Sox currently trying to obtain list. Likely a 1-year DH kind of thing.
12/21 - Removed JT from the potentials list.
12/23 - Changed the team name to the All Rejected & Ejected team.
12/23 - Added a bench/depth squad to fill out a 40-man roster. (Added Hosmer, Downs, Politi, Franchy, Ward, Park)
12/28 - Added Rich Hill and Nathan Eovaldi to the main departed/rejected us team.
1/16 - Added Seabold and Hernandez to the depth squad, removed Devers from the trade bait list.
1/16 - Added Andrus and Profar to the Red Sox chasing after free agent list.
1/24 - Added Josh Taylor to the BP due to trade today.
1/24 - Added Tommy Pham, not that the Sox wanted him.
1/25 - Added Matt Barnes
2/4 - Added Franklin German, moved Hosmer to the main team.
2/4 - Moved the two Rule-5 guys to the main team as they will be in the big leagues this year.
2/14 - Added Wacha.
2/23 - Added Noah Song. Almost seems surreal that I'm typing this one.
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on December 02, 2022, 09:46:57 AM
Just a little fun as I wallow in my current state of Red Sox misery. OK, so the 'Sox have been hot and heavy into several players including a couple of their own only to fail for various reasons. I thought it would be interesting to created a team out of the players who rejected us after having serious interest in this off-season.
The All Rejected the Red Sox Serious Bidding Team
The known players to make the team.
1B/DH - Jose Abreu
SP/RP - Zach Eflin
TBD - FA
Mitch Haniger
The not known yet candidate player pool.
Lost Despite Best Efforts - TBD
SS - Xander Bogaerts
SP - Nathan Eovaldi
I'm sure we'll not fill an entire roster. There are other elements that could be interesting. Allowing fill-ins for players who needed to get traded and/or walked away peacefully have chances elsewhere. All to be determined(TBD), of course.
The Parting is sweet sorrow portion candidate player pool.
3B/1B - Bobby Dalbec (TBD - Potential potential trade bait)
CF - Jaren Duran (TBD - Potential trade bait)
RP(L) - Darwinzon Hernandez (TBD - Potential trade bait)
SS - Jeter Downs (TBD - He's my dark horse trade bait)
SP - Michael Wacha (TBD)
RP(L) - Strahm (TBD)
SP(L) - Rich Hill (TBD)
We could do a hindsight is 20/20 to fill in holes as needed. We'll see. Obvious candidates being Martin Perez, Michael Chavis and Jay Groome. Maybe include Vazquez if we need a catcher, but it just seems too soon for me.
WE REALLY HAVE BECOME A PATHETIC ORGANIZATION, HAVEN'T ME MONGO? I wonder if we will wind up signing nobody except a bunch of over the hill bums/
You struck gold I think inadvertently Mongo. You said “I’m sure we won’t fill an entire roster.†I’m afraid that once again Chaim will not fill an entire roster, leaving positions like top of the rotation starter, closer, SS, OF power hitter, unfilled.
There’s a couple musings that Bloom is checking in with a lot of teams for an OF trade in exchange for some of our prospects and Duran/Dalbek/all those AAAA players he’s stockpiling. Haniger may have priced himself out of (Boston’s) the market. There is a glut of deadwood on the 40 man.
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on December 03, 2022, 10:28:45 AM
There’s a couple musings that Bloom is checking in with a lot of teams for an OF trade in exchange for some of our prospects and Duran/Dalbek/all those AAAA players he’s stockpiling. Haniger may have priced himself out of (Boston’s) the market. There is a glut of deadwood on the 40 man.
What's this nonsense about "pricing himself out of Boston's market? The Red Sox have always been a big market team; why in the last few years have they become a bunch of tight wad turds? No excuse for that. Save for the Yankees and Dodgers, we shouldn't get priced out of any players we need for our team. How pathetic.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on December 03, 2022, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on December 03, 2022, 10:28:45 AM
There’s a couple musings that Bloom is checking in with a lot of teams for an OF trade in exchange for some of our prospects and Duran/Dalbek/all those AAAA players he’s stockpiling. Haniger may have priced himself out of (Boston’s) the market. There is a glut of deadwood on the 40 man.
What's this nonsense about "pricing himself out of Boston's market? The Red Sox have always been a big market team; why in the last few years have they become a bunch of tight wad turds? No excuse for that. Save for the Yankees and Dodgers, we shouldn't get priced out of any players we need for our team. How pathetic.
It looks like any team signing Haniger is wary of his missing 270 games last 3-4 years to injury. He was non-tendered by Mariners. He could be a Chris Sale on a bicycle or a skateboard. Maybe he will plateau the injury bug this year. But there arent many RH outfielders on the market
A trade that’s been talked about is getting the Pirates’ all-star outfielder, Bryan Reynolds. It will take good prospects from us as he’s under 3 years control. 27 homers and 62 RBI’s in ‘22. In ‘21 he had 8 triples.
There are two big trade bait players being talked about by the MLB/National press. 3 years each control on Reynolds and the Catcher from Oakland, Murphy. The Murphy deal has a "source" indicating that a deal might be close, but no idea who's dancing with them. Typical lack of early Winter Meetings action in recent years desperation story sounds more like it, to me at least.
The other team that's been talked about is Miami and their young pitchers. They are said to be hunting for a big-name CF'er. Cherington/Boston connections not withstanding, seems like Pittsburgh might be better served looking in that direction. Proven arms instead of our unproven arms.
I made a small change to the original post to move Haniger into the main list as he just signed with the Giants for 3 years, $43.5M.
In other thread related activity. "sources" suggest Strahm is close to signing with the Phillies. No clue at all if we even went after him, or if he was sticking to his starting pitcher opportunity desire.
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on December 07, 2022, 06:30:07 AM
I made a small change to the original post to move Haniger into the main list as he just signed with the Giants for 3 years, $43.5M.
In other thread related activity. "sources" suggest Strahm is close to signing with the Phillies. No clue at all if we even went after him, or if he was sticking to his starting pitcher opportunity desire.
I saw Strahm signing with the Phillies last night. Another reliever gone by the way side. Bloom is getting another massage as the other GMs told him the meetings start tomorrow.
Quote from: longgame on December 07, 2022, 07:38:26 AM
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on December 07, 2022, 06:30:07 AM
I made a small change to the original post to move Haniger into the main list as he just signed with the Giants for 3 years, $43.5M.
In other thread related activity. "sources" suggest Strahm is close to signing with the Phillies. No clue at all if we even went after him, or if he was sticking to his starting pitcher opportunity desire.
I saw Strahm signing with the Phillies last night. Another reliever gone by the way side. Bloom is getting another massage as the other GMs told him the meetings start tomorrow.
Actually, I think Bloom is giving massages, not getting one. His fellow GMs are complaining because the cheap oils that Bloom uses.....
I just added Strahm to the lost out on list list.
I added Vasquez to the team. I had to add a catcher. Lots of talk about Murphy, but the Braves paid a steeper price than numb-nuts would have ever been able to stomach. Not sure I can blame him in this case. The bigger reason is that Bloom obviously had plans that came to naught regarding the catching position when he ditched Vasquez. I doubt they made a serious bid for Murphy or even Contreras.
Quite a few other names added and shifted around. Up to 8 players. Could have been more had I been paying much attention the past few days. I'm not sure who we made serious overtures to on both the FA and Trade fronts.
What a clown. This would be funny to watch if it was the Yankees doing this.
Mongo, while nobody else was paying attention, Bloomer was busy doing Manfred a favor - his brilliant work to reinvent the way free agency should operate. That would be an economical approach with high AAV over short term deals. The problem, nobody else was paying attention to our three ring circus.
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on December 16, 2022, 08:17:32 AM
Mongo, while nobody else was paying attention, Bloomer was busy doing Manfred a favor - his brilliant work to reinvent the way free agency should operate. That would be an economical approach with high AAV over short term deals. The problem, nobody else was paying attention to our three ring circus.
I would caution you to look at the entire body of the transactions rather than judge them in their own individual silo's.
Boo-wa ha ha ha ha!!! I am SO KIDDING!!! :)
I wonder what Bloom garage looks like. Bet one can't fit a car in it because it is so full of useless stuff.
I gets sadder and more frustrating to keep hearing more and more fluff pieces from the Red Sox front office which we all know by now is more and more bullshit. The Farm system has gone backwards the past two seasons. The "prospects" are not improving and some are regressing, the trades Blomer Girl has made have been disastrous, and we are now even weaker than last year. I don't have to ask if any of you see a pattern her because I would be insulting all of my colleagues here if I was. Bloom has become a comic figure, is devoid of j udging baseball talent and we are not going to do make that change as long as that malfeasance continues in the organization
They could do two things that would make all of us shut up post haste.......Sign Dansby Swanson to a big FA contract. But we won't and we all know that. Then sign Rafael Devers to a gigantic new long term contract. That won't happen ei ther. Simply put again and again....john henry is a cheap bastard and does not want to spend money on his team anymore. DEVERS IS AS GOOD AS GONE AND ANYONE WHO BUYS TICKETS TO SEE THIS 2023 SHIT SHOW HASN'T AN OUNCE OF GRAY MATTER IN HIS BRAIN.
Well, Fred, Swanson signed with the Cubs - 7 years, $177M. I put him on the Rejected Team. I think XB will have to play 3B. LOL
Rumblings already has Machado opting out after next season after 5 years, $150M and turning down the same amount. He might not rake bigger bucks per year, but he might be able to double the contract length. Massive money.
Add JDM to the list. One year - $10MM. Good thing the Red Sox dont need a DH or a SS.
Quote from: longgame on December 17, 2022, 07:08:58 PM
Add JDM to the list. One year - $10MM. Good thing the Red Sox dont need a DH or a SS.
Just saw that. Two things hit me. There was zero consideration to bring him back. I never heard or saw anything. JDM will do well, and someone will get in his ear and deliver the contact will get more RBI than over-swinging K's and GIDP's.
Now on to the even more telling and pathetic nature of where were are. From the signing article on MLB.com.
"At the Trade Deadline, the Dodgers pushed hard to land J.D. Martinez from the Red Sox, but the asking price never lowered and a deal between the two teams never came to fruition. "
I don't know what Bloom was asking for, but for a guy that covets and terms middling Minor Leaguers as "collateral", we did not get a damned thing when a bidder(or bidders) came calling. And now we whiffed on at least two coveted power hitting righties and lose JDM for what we paid Kike. We lost him for true bridge year gap money. We didn't improve at deadline and we didn't build for the future. Horrible. I strongly suspect that he wanted out.
I just added Justin Turner to the potential list as MLB said that the Red Sox were trying to get him. Three other teams in the hunt according to the writer who was quoting another writer - Heyman. How serious is it? Who knows. Can't trust a darned thing anyone says anymore.
Heyman has a tweet generator where he puts in the name of the player and the tweet comes out “Red are in heavy negotiations with <insert name here>, He has lost all credibility as a reporter this offseason.
Quote from: longgame on December 18, 2022, 11:02:19 AM
Heyman has a tweet generator where he puts in the name of the player and the tweet comes out “Red are in heavy negotiations with <insert name here>, He has lost all credibility as a reporter this offseason.
Good to know. Thanks for the intel. So many have sold out. I stopped the Athletic altogether last week.
Does anyone know any of the other pitchers and players that the Sox were actively trying to get? Something beyond they call almost every player agent about a player they have moderate interest in.
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on December 21, 2022, 07:32:48 AM
Does anyone know any of the other pitchers and players that the Sox were actively trying to get? Something beyond they call almost every player agent about a player they have moderate interest in.
As soon as money is mentioned the calls end after Bloomer Boy checks with the Prune Man and gets Nyet, Nein, No, and No Mas from the cheap bastard.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on December 21, 2022, 11:45:21 AM
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on December 21, 2022, 07:32:48 AM
Does anyone know any of the other pitchers and players that the Sox were actively trying to get? Something beyond they call almost every player agent about a player they have moderate interest in.
As soon as money is mentioned the calls end after Bloomer Boy checks with the Prune Man and gets Nyet, Nein, No, and No Mas from the cheap bastard.
Jon Morosi wrote today that he expects Eovaldi to sign with Sox. Although they seem to be the least attractive mgt group in baseball. Nerds and azzholes. It way we’ll be the QO that turns other teams away from Nate.
I added Eovaldi and Hill to the All-Rejected and All-Departed us team. That team could actually now fill a line-up card without having to rely on stretching the criteria to include everyone the Sox inquired on. Just the ones we let go or the ones we were reported to be seriously in on.
What we don't know is the true depth of how much the Red Sox challenged or are challenging other teams in the trade market. The Blue Jays, Braves and Mariners made their contending teams stronger this off season by trading players that, quite frankly, we do not have equivalents for. Nothing either teams needed aside from some borderline AAA/MLB starting pitcher throw-ins. Even the relief pitcher throw-ins seemed strong. AA relievers with 15k per 9-inning and A+ with 20k's per 9-IP types.
If you want some salt in that and a wound from last year, go look at what the Brewers just got in return for their speedy CF prospect (Estuary Ruiz, who went to the A's) as part of the Murphy deal. An All Star breakthrough catcher with a few years of control left in addition to a steady, legitimate but not great reliever. Sheeeesh!!!! Interesting GM work they got there, eh?
Connor Seabold, came over with Pivetta from the Phillies, DFA'd to make roster space for Kluber. Add him to the list.
Quote from: longgame on January 12, 2023, 12:31:47 PM
Connor Seabold, came over with Pivetta from the Phillies, DFA'd to make roster space for Kluber. Add him to the list.
Done. Also added Darwinzon Hernandez. Both went on the depth squad. Also took Devers off the trade-bait list.
I added Elvis Andrus and Jerickson Profar to the portentials/pursuing list. According to MLB, this seems to be the two the Red Sox are chasing after. No mention of Igelias.
Does anyone know if we made a serious push for Mancini? Seems to me there was some conjecture, but no real substance. He's reportedly going to the Cubs.
Bloom is too busy dithering to make a serious offer to any player that any other team has serious interest in. I have said this before Bloom is the proverbial jackass who starved to death because he had to choose between two bales of hay and could not decide which to pick.
Why has Bloom gone into hibernating? The best thing I can say as to his logic, he is waiting for Spring training in March to do any player additions. At that point he can put Story, Sale, Paxton, others on IL, thereby removing them from the 40 man and not have to DFA his own VALUED players from the team. Ort, Winkowski, Wong are probably untouchable as he has made it personal.
Bloom thereby saves face, but at the expense of a team needing multiple improvements.
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on January 16, 2023, 02:08:10 PM
Why has Bloom gone into hibernating? The best thing I can say as to his logic, he is waiting for Spring training in March to do any player additions. At that point he can put Story, Sale, Paxton, others on IL, thereby removing them from the 40 man and not have to DFA his own VALUED players from the team. Ort, Winkowski, Wong are probably untouchable as he has made it personal.
Bloom thereby saves face, but at the expense of a team needing multiple improvements.
The more I see Bloom's pathetic face or hear something he was quoted as saying I get another stomach ache and want to tear into that bum and pull his head off his body. The guy is simply an incompetent buffoon and it reminds me of something I just read from Elk as he make a comment on that dodo who always tries to pass himself off as a competent exec full of energy. I guess he gets that from his daily ration of homeopathic soup that he dishes up by boiling the shadow of a scare crow who has starved to death. There is j ust nothing at all to this guy, a full fledged buffoon.
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on December 17, 2022, 03:59:14 PM
Well, Fred, Swanson signed with the Cubs - 7 years, $177M. I put him on the Rejected Team. I think XB will have to play 3B. LOL
Rumblings already has Machado opting out after next season after 5 years, $150M and turning down the same amount. He might not rake bigger bucks per year, but he might be able to double the contract length. Massive money.
Well Mongo I did get it wrong with Devers but have become convinced that when Henry saw the fans rip him a new butt at that hockey game at Fenway he probably decided the fans had had enough of his penny pinching ways. Surprised it took that long for him to get it but he has always been described at having miserable people skills. Remember he is the only member of the Red So front office WHO DID NOT CONGRATULATE DAVE DOMBROWSKI WHEN HE LED THE PHILLIES TO THE NL PENNANT. Henry and Bloom, two worms in a hole.
LOL Good one! Fred Soup from the shadow of a scare crow!!! 9
They were so happy Devers saved them from being run out of town that they are now simply basking the glow, leaking out stories as to what a great job they did to finally sign someone.
One small move today, they signed catcher Jorge Alfaro to a minor league deal, and he can earn $2 mil if he makes the Boston lineup over Connor Wong. A Spring invitee. He caught for Padres last year. Swings right, could platoon with McGuire who swings lefty. However at bat, he has a K rate of 34 and a walk rate of only 4%.
Alfaro is a career .256 hitter with 47 homers, 194 RBIs and a .701 OPS in 478 major league games with the Phillies (2016-18), Marlins (2019-21) and Padres (2022).
I was looking at Alfaro's Caught Steeling numbers last night. 5 of 30. Used to have some good CS numbers before the last season or two.
This has to just be a depth piece, right? I mean, Connor Wong can pull off those offensive numbers with far less K's. They at least supposedly liked Wong behind the plate last season. If Alfaro challenges Wong for a spot and edges him out or we use Wong's last Option just to appease Alfaro, we gain nothing. We lose a chance to develop what might not be more than an OK catcher, but it's better than nothing.
Yes, I fear History repeating itself. We can't finish the job of developing talent anymore.
Quote from: longgame on January 16, 2023, 06:11:58 PM
They were so happy Devers saved them from being run out of town that they are now simply basking the glow, leaking out stories as to what a great job they did to finally sign someone.
That coming out while the Story story unfolded is a great example of the dark cloud hanging over this group. Most of it is their own doing, but the timing of Story's procedure and subsequent news stole so much wind out of that Devers signing sail is compounded bad ju-ju of some sort.
One can't even fathom the epic failure of this off-season yet. It started at the trade deadline. It's layered in cluster-f*** with what in the hell were you thinking icing and melted Baghdad Bob BS Ice Cream on the side.
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on January 17, 2023, 06:00:28 AM
I was looking at Alfaro's Caught Steeling numbers last night. 5 of 30. Used to have some good CS numbers before the last season or two.
This has to just be a depth piece, right? I mean, Connor Wong can pull off those offensive numbers with far less K's. They at least supposedly liked Wong behind the plate last season. If Alfaro challenges Wong for a spot and edges him out or we use Wong's last Option just to appease Alfaro, we gain nothing. We lose a chance to develop what might not be more than an OK catcher, but it's better than nothing.
Yes, I fear History repeating itself. We can't finish the job of developing talent anymore.
It's called ineptness Mongo. Alfaro leads the league in only one category====EATING!!!!!!! The guy is a far slob who can no longer run and can no longer throw and while Wing Wang is a sorry leftover to that disastrous Mookie Betts trade, he is young enough and in shape enough to be given a chance teo make the team and perform. Alfaro failed with the Padres and he will fail with us, which seems to be our reputation anyway. Anyone remember Franchy or Downs, both three time losers? We seem to have b ecome a haven for those type of bums.
Fred you've been on a roll lately! Leads the league in eating. Maybe they can bring back Pablo Sandoval as a conditioning coach!
Maybe we go get Big Sexy next? Probably still able to pitch. :)
Quote from: longgame on January 17, 2023, 02:47:21 PM
Fred you've been on a roll lately! Leads the league in eating. Maybe they can bring back Pablo Sandoval as a conditioning coach!
Well I've been thinking of my buddies on this board and I know you guys are as frustrated and angry as I am with the rotten turn of events during this "Hot Stove" farce we're participating in so a few laughs can only help. Now I hear that Bloom is interested in Duvall as a RH power hitter who could hit 20-25 homers for us......if he still has something left and if Bloom can pull the trigger for a change. Then again, who knows how much he has left from his 38 homer season in 2021. We'll we should know more in about two weeks just where we're at. At least we signed Devers long term.
I've added Barnes, Taylor and Pham to the departed section of the team. The team is up to 15 plus another 8 that are getting opportunities elsewhere.
I added Franklin German to the depth squad and moved 3 players to the main team as the plans for all include breaking camp with their big league teams.
The team ends up being mostly made up of DFA cast-offs/trades, Free Agents we lost and free agents we seriously targeted that went elsewhere. I'm sure I'll add one more once Michael Wacha signs somewhere.
The club has no CF or 2B. I thought both Duran and Dalbec might both be moved and subsequently added. Hoy Park, part of the strangest series of early off-season dealings we've seen, will move to the big team and play 2b if he breaks camp with the Braves(??).
There is a full rotation and most of a bullpen. It will change if/when we add Wacha when he signs. Closer by committee and has Nasty Nate leading the way as the quasi ace.
Here's the projected line-up. I anticipate at least one addition before ST starts, and then several after we break camp. It lacks potential free-agent signings ATM because I was never really sure how aggressively we pursued other players, like potential SS, 2B, OF and other reliever types.
1. Bogey(R) - 3B
2. Hosmer(L) - 1B
3. Swanson(R) - SS
4. Abreau(R) - DH
5. Haniger(R) - RF
6. JDM(R) - LF
7. Pham(R) - CF
8. Vasquez(R) - C
9. Park(L)* - 2B
SP - Eovaldi, Heaney, Hill, Eflin, Ward*
RP - Barnes, Strahm, Kahnle, Taylor, Politi*
Quote from: MongoLikeSox on February 04, 2023, 09:10:21 AM
I added Franklin German to the depth squad and moved 3 players to the main team as the plans for all include breaking camp with their big league teams.
The team ends up being mostly made up of DFA cast-offs/trades, Free Agents we lost and free agents we seriously targeted that went elsewhere. I'm sure I'll add one more once Michael Wacha signs somewhere.
The club has no CF or 2B. I thought both Duran and Dalbec might both be moved and subsequently added. Hoy Park, part of the strangest series of early off-season dealings we've seen, will move to the big team and play 2b if he breaks camp with the Braves(??).
There is a full rotation and most of a bullpen. It will change if/when we add Wacha when he signs. Closer by committee and has Nasty Nate leading the way as the quasi ace.
Here's the projected line-up. I anticipate at least one addition before ST starts, and then several after we break camp. It lacks potential free-agent signings ATM because I was never really sure how aggressively we pursued other players, like potential SS, 2B, OF and other reliever types.
1. Bogey(R) - 3B
2. Hosmer(L) - 1B
3. Swanson(R) - SS
4. Abreau(R) - DH
5. Haniger(R) - RF
6. JDM(R) - LF
7. Pham(R) - CF
8. Vasquez(R) - C
9. Park(L)* - 2B
SP - Eovaldi, Heaney, Hill, Eflin, Ward*
RP - Barnes, Strahm, Kahnle, Taylor, Politi*
To me there is no excuse for not signing <Michael Wacha. The guy wants two years and Bloom is once again risking losing one of the few good bargains left. He was arguably our best pitcher last season. What the hell is a two year contract for him instead of one? Shit, we gave Barnes a new three year deal after only three mon ths of quality pitching after years of near total ineptness and then had to get rid of him because he stunk after those three good months. Sign Michael Wacha you incompetent buffoon Bloom.
I've seen conflicting reports on Wacha's requests. They all agree he wants 2 years, but one report says $15M per year and the other one says $15M total. Eovaldi got 2 years, $34M IIRC, and that's with questionable velocity as a big cloud.
I would think time is on our side with Wacha. For some reason nobody has snapped him up which surprises me. Not that time and Bloom work well together.
Quote from: longgame on February 06, 2023, 08:44:35 AM
I would think time is on our side with Wacha. For some reason nobody has snapped him up which surprises me. Not that time and Bloom work well together.
It's gotten to the point Ted where Bloom and SNAFU are totally interchangeable. It still astounds me that the guy can be so inept and even worse in evaluating talent. We better hope that our guys have above average years across the board because we will need that to have any chance in hell to make the post season as it now stands. As for Wacha, perhaps his last two assignments last season might have scared a few teams off, but we have the money to sign him. I also don't think time is on our side with Wacha either. Bloom has shown an amazing capacity to gumming up every thing he puts his palsied hands on.
I just added Noah Song to the big team.
You might remember Song was Rule-5'd by the Phillies. Bloom left him off the 40-man Roster keeping any number on yay-hoos that had nowhere near the MLB potential as Song. Then again, the risk of losing him was low. Who is going to draft him? Seems like a big risk. No way he is going to be able to pitch in the MLB was their thought.
Where he made a mistake is the gamble is worth it. It's only a $100k gamble. That's nothing in an industry that will absorb $7M in payroll to trade for Franklin German. One of his competitors already made a huge gamble to get him, and it would not be the first former 'Sox farmhand that he's snagged.
The real question is why would Bloom, of all people, thing that someone would NOT try for Song? Bloom himself has snagged a guy with not even AA experience because he liked his athletisism, knowing full well that he was going to have to compete at the MLB level to keep him.
So instead of protecting a former college pitcher of the year, they made a risk and it bit them. Now he could show up in ST this year and do well and make the team or he could bomb and be deemed too risky to try him on the big club. It's either going to be a major coup for Dombrowski or a $50k risk that didn't work out.
The silver lining for the Sox is that if it's a big win for the phillies, it's a major fail for Bloom, and could have the effect of being the final nail on Blooms' coffin. This is gonna get interesting.
The chances of him making the team and staying on it all year are slim with the Phillies so it's likely he'll come back. Can't protect everyone after all.
Quote from: longgame on February 23, 2023, 08:24:39 AM
The chances of him making the team and staying on it all year are slim with the Phillies so it's likely he'll come back. Can't protect everyone after all.
Very true. Should be interesting in the very least.