YANKEES V RED SOX
SUNDAY, JULY 16, 2017, 1 PM AT FENWAY PARK
TV: NESN, MLBN, (OUT-OF-MARKET ONLY), YES, TBS
NEW YORK, (46-42)...............................................................................................BOSTON, (51-40)
NEW YORK:
CC SABATHIA, LHP, 7-3, 3.81 ERA, 3K
Sabathia was moved up to start for the first game on Sunday's twin bill after
Saturday's 16-inning affair. Sabathia will be making his second start since returning
from a left hamstring strain. He lasted just 2 2/3 innings on July 4 against Toronto.
BOSTON:
RICK PORCELLO, RHP, 4-11, 4.75 ERA, 109K
The sinkerballer has some momentum going into the second half. He pitched his
best game of the season on the Saturday before the All-Star break, allowing six hits and
one run over eight innings in a complete-game, 1-0 loss at Tropicana Field.
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Yankees, Red Sox wrap series with twin bill
Evan Chronis
A rainout three months ago has set the stage for a marathon of baseball between the Yankees and Red Sox on Sunday.
The rivals will finish up their weekend series at Fenway Park with a day-night doubleheader that has heavy implications for an ever-tightening American League East race.
Rick Porcello (4-11, 4.75 ERA) will start the 1:05 p.m. ET game for Boston. The righty is coming off his best performance of the season, allowing one run in his eighth career complete game. But the eight innings in St. Petersburg weren't enough, as he took the 1-0 loss to the Rays.
Left-hander CC Sabathia (7-3, 3.81 ERA) will take the mound on short notice after the Yankees and Red Sox played 16 innings on Saturday. Sabathia is coming off his shortest start of the season, going 2 2/3 innings and allowing four earned runs in a loss to the Brewers on July 4. He is 14-13 in his career against the Red Sox, and 5-5 when pitching at Fenway Park.
Red Sox lefty David Price (4-2, 3.91 ERA) will be given the ball in the night game, scheduled for 8:05 p.m. Price found himself on somewhat of a roll before the All-Star break, allowing two earned runs over his last 15 innings while putting together four straight quality starts.
After a rocky first half, Masahiro Tanaka will look to rebound with a successful opening start to the second half. Tanaka put together a torrid streak of six straight losses before entering the break with two wins in three starts.
Red Sox manager John Farrell says that Brock Holt could potentially be available for the second game on Sunday. Holt has been battling with vertigo and has been on a rehab assignment at Triple-A Pawtucket.
THREE THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME
• A return to Fenway Park could be the best thing for a struggling Tanaka. He produced his best start of the year in his last visit to Boston, allowing three hits in a shutout performance on April 27.
• Price is more familiar with the Yankees than he is with any other Major League squad. The lefty has faced the Bronx Bombers a career-high 37 times, going 14-11. As a member of the Red Sox, though, Price is 1-4 with an 8.42 ERA in six appearances against the Yanks.
• Jacoby Ellsbury has continually gotten the better of Porcello when the two do battle. The center fielder is 12-for-34 against Porcello with four home runs in his career.
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Game 1 vs. NYY Gm 1:
Betts RF,
Bogaerts SS,
Benintendi LF,
Young DH,
Travis 1B,
Bradley Jr. CF,
Marrero 3B,
Leon C, Lin 2B,
Porcello RHP
GAME #1, 1 PM
GAME #2, 8 PM
1:00 ???? Hope the RED SOX are awake by then !! We NEED TWO wins today as last nights game was a NATIONAL CRIME !!! GO RED SOX !!! thumb_u
Quote from: Bill-806 on July 16, 2017, 07:10:53 AM
1:00 ???? Hope the RED SOX are awake by then !! We NEED TWO wins today as last nights game was a NATIONAL CRIME !!! GO RED SOX !!! thumb_u
Well we aren't going top get them. If Porcello cannot pitch a shutout today the first game is as good as lost right now. First of all we're facing CC which mean dumb ass Farrell will bench Benintendi, who got three hits yesterday in order to put in Chris Young who has turned out to be a worthless piece of shit. Perhaps a total collapse is what is needed to make Prune Face and DD understand that the players they think are going to take us to the promiseland over the next few seasons aren't worth a wad of dog shit.
Second game at 8 pm,
Charlie Cheeseburger has the edge over Porcello. I just can't be optimistic about this doubleheader.
Sale is the only guy on this team consistent enough to rely on.
This team is something different day-to-day. I hope for the best but don't expect it....
LOBsters again. Young pulls the requisite GIDP. Can't have a game without one.
Young rolled over on the ball hitting a weak grounder. Why can't these guys hit situationally. Young should have been trying to lift the ball. It is mind numbing watching these guys at the plate.
Quote from: elktonnick on July 16, 2017, 12:30:27 PM
Young rolled over on the ball hitting a weak grounder. Why can't these guys hit situationally. Young should have been trying to lift the ball. It is mind numbing watching these guys at the plate.
That was brutal to watch. Young just shouldn't be playing at all if a veteran like him can't hit the ball in the air in that situation. I'm tired of seeing the wrong approach to at bats from many on this team.
I agree these guys with few exceptions don't seem to be aware of the situation.
And more LOBsters.
Marrero rolls over on the pitch and Travis is out at the plate. These guys are 0 for 2 driving a runner in from third with less than 2 outs. They are driving me crazy.
Bogie is having a bad day every where.
These AL teams are incredible. Every pitcher we face these days is a Cy Young award prospect. iono
Time for DD to go GO looking.Get one and put Porcello in the pen.
2 unearned runs because of the Xman error. 2-0 Yanks.
Yankees got the 1 run they need to win. Insult to injury by making it a blow out at 2-0.
JBJ just turned on the pathetic switch again. ::)
Doesn't look good. They haven't scored in the last 17 innings, then the one in the third yesterday, and the walk-in-off the day before.
And now 3-0 and this game is pretty much over.
I don't know if we need a 3rd baseman or not (with so many other players doing nothing) but if DD is going to get one do it now. Don't wait until the end of July and let another 14 games go by. Either make a trade or bring Devers up. I'm tired of hearing about it. Plus I'd let Shaw play 1st base more often since Moreland is only hitting .216 since June 1st. Need to shake things up.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 16, 2017, 01:40:46 PM
I don't know if we need a 3rd baseman or not (with so many other players doing nothing) but if DD is going to get one do it now. Don't wait until the end of July and let another 14 games go by. Either make a trade or bring Devers up. I'm tired of hearing about it. Plus I'd let Shaw play 1st base more often since Moreland is only hitting .216 since June 1st. Need to shake things up.
I think you mean Travis, I do the same thing! I agree on not waiting, the time is now. Each day they lose a game the price goes up for less service.
Once again the X man fails to drive in a run from third. Waugh!
Quote from: longgame on July 16, 2017, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: Schloicka on July 16, 2017, 01:40:46 PM
I don't know if we need a 3rd baseman or not (with so many other players doing nothing) but if DD is going to get one do it now. Don't wait until the end of July and let another 14 games go by. Either make a trade or bring Devers up. I'm tired of hearing about it. Plus I'd let Shaw play 1st base more often since Moreland is only hitting .216 since June 1st. Need to shake things up.
I think you mean Travis, I do the same thing! I agree on not waiting, the time is now. Each day they lose a game the price goes up for less service.
Yes meant Travis. I must be having flashbacks.
Decent game for Porcello. Gave up 1 earned run. Had 6 k's and no walks. No help from Xman behind him though. Cost 2 more runs. And no run support again.
Horror show keeps puttering. CC probably thinking he's back to his vintage self. Well, he hasn't faced the Lowell Spinners! So how's that!? 8)
I wish I could j
Is the NY piching that good or Boston hitting that bad? I lean towards hitting being that bad. XB is a wreck at SS. Metrics or eyeball he is now a below average SS. Here is the future: XB at third, Devers at first and Travis/Devers flip flop between first and DH.
10 times this year the Sox have failed to score a run while Porcello was in the game.
X man in a long slump. He looks lost at the plate.
What is so difficult to play FUNDERMENTAL baseball ??? Does anyone go to the opposite field, bunt, hit/run, smart/aggressive baseball any more ???? thumb_d :losers iono slap rofl
Quote from: elktonnick on July 16, 2017, 02:17:17 PM
X man in a long slump. He looks lost at the plate.
Would anyone here dare to trade the X/MAN ?? D D has to be BOLD & always open to a BLOCK BUSTER !!!!
This team can't buy a run. The downward spiral from before the ASB continues.
Great to see Holt back in a game. Crowd loves it. One bright spot anyway.
The Yankees have played their best baseball against our Sox
this year.
Our Sox have not scored a run against the Yankees in
over 20 innings. WTF????
I HATE losing to the Yankees.
AND, last night - a killer.
(I went into this series hoping that our Sox would AT LEAST
split this series. NOW, I am praying that they do.)
The Red Sox hitting woes continue.
If the score stands, it'll be the 3rd time this season the Yankees have shut out the Sox.
Quote from: markj on July 16, 2017, 03:04:49 PM
If the score stands, it'll be the 3rd time this season the Yankees have shut out the Sox.
This is not good !!! BTW, what has Sandy Leon done of date ??? iono
Quote from: markj on July 16, 2017, 02:22:27 PM
This team can't buy a run. The downward spiral from before the ASB continues.
As ROB FROM MASS would say, "No worry here, there are 70 games left" !!! rofl
One run in 25 innings. Impressive. Not.
Quote from: markj on July 16, 2017, 03:04:49 PM
If the score stands, it'll be the 3rd time this season the Yankees have shut out the Sox.
Crap that made this damn loss feel even worse.
Quote from: Bill-806 on July 16, 2017, 07:10:53 AM
1:00 ???? Hope the RED SOX are awake by then !! We NEED TWO wins today as last nights game was a NATIONAL CRIME !!! GO RED SOX !!! thumb_u
Bill---for your own good let me try and get through to you. This team of our is collapsing right before our eyes. They have no energy, no drive, no commitment, and, what's more, they have a bunch of gutless bums on the roster led by Pukegerts, who, if you noticed, made another error today like the one he made yesterday. This is just one of our p roblems---we have many. When X, as in excretment , doesn't hit he takes his hitting out to the field with him. This guy should be benched with the hope someone can play SS adequately enough to keep him there. I've grown to really despise this guy. He is a choker beyond all measure and I've known that since the Opening Home Series in 2014 when he left between 15-18 runners on base in that three game debacle with Milwaukee which set us on a pattern of deterioration that continues to this day
Quote from: elktonnick on July 16, 2017, 12:30:27 PM
Young rolled over on the ball hitting a weak grounder. Why can't these guys hit situationally. Young should have been trying to lift the ball. It is mind numbing watching these guys at the plate.
Elk--Young shouldn't even be in the lineup at all. He hasn't hit lefties in almost two months and he is shitty in the clutch as well. There is a reason he has been handed around to teams like a hat being passed in a softball game. Pinch hitting and pinch hitting only should be his calling---and then not that often. He better not be back next season because he sucks.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 16, 2017, 01:22:22 PM
2 unearned runs because of the Xman error. 2-0 Yanks.
Schloik, true, I am prejudiced against Bogaerts because I think he is the supreme choke artist, but I know something else about him too. He takes his hitting woes out to the field with him. He made another error today and made one yesterday. He is soft, lacks toughness and in fact IMHO he is gutless. He certainly is no middle order hitter and the team would be wise to sit his ass down tonight and for the next few games and see if that wakens this puke artist up. I doubt that it will.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 16, 2017, 01:40:46 PM
I don't know if we need a 3rd baseman or not (with so many other players doing nothing) but if DD is going to get one do it now. Don't wait until the end of July and let another 14 games go by. Either make a trade or bring Devers up. I'm tired of hearing about it. Plus I'd let Shaw play 1st base more often since Moreland is only hitting .216 since June 1st. Need to shake things up.
You mean Sam Travis.....but I agree. No, we're not going to get Shaw back. We have a better chance of getting Sandoval back before him.
I understand the frustration but is anyone SERIOUSLY writing this season off during this bad spell.
I am far from that.
Just wondering!!!
Quote from: elktonnick on July 16, 2017, 01:50:30 PM
Once again the X man fails to drive in a run from third. Waugh!
Why even call him X. Why not Choker as I do---because that's what he is, a total choker. The Red Sox had better realize this guy is not who they thought they were getting. He has stopped hitting, has lost all his power, is making errors more and more in the field and to me he is a gutless bum who needs to be sat down and kept there. Yes, I despise this guy more and more every day. I don't even like looking moon faced piece of shit.
Quote from: ojdidit on July 16, 2017, 02:12:35 PM
Is the NY piching that good or Boston hitting that bad? I lean towards hitting being that bad. XB is a wreck at SS. Metrics or eyeball he is now a below average SS. Here is the future: XB at third, Devers at first and Travis/Devers flip flop between first and DH.
Good God NO!!!!!!!! Choker must be traded away. He stinks, cannot hit in the clutch at all. My God, can't you people see that. Save for about two months in 2015 when there might have been another person in his body, his career with the Sox has been one of failed at-bats with men on base. No way, we move him to third base. You keep Devers there when he comes up and you give Travis the first base job and that's it. I don't want Sam ruined as they might have done with Blake Swihart. And speaking of Blake, poor season or not, bring him up and give the guy a shot. I would bet he would get an elixir from the promotion and play the way he was doing before he got hurt in left field. Trade Leomn or DFA him. His usefulness is at an end, and personally, I think Vazquez is not a winner.
Quote from: Bill-806 on July 16, 2017, 02:22:24 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on July 16, 2017, 02:17:17 PM
X man in a long slump. He looks lost at the plate.
Would anyone here dare to trade the X/MAN ?? D D has to be BOLD & always open to a BLOCK BUSTER !!!!
You mean Choker don't you. I would dare if I had the power. I think this guy is an overrated bum who is soft and gutless.
Quote from: BoSoxFanNY on July 16, 2017, 02:55:37 PM
The Yankees have played their best baseball against our Sox
this year.
Our Sox have not scored a run against the Yankees in
over 20 innings. WTF????
I HATE losing to the Yankees.
AND, last night - a killer.
(I went into this series hoping that our Sox would AT LEAST
split this series. NOW, I am praying that they do.)
Sorry Bear, ain't gonna happen. The team went into the tank and they are near the point of total collapse. Remember September, 2011? You're seeing a replica of it right now before your very eyes.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 16, 2017, 04:17:34 PM
I understand the frustration but is anyone SERIOUSLY writing this season off during this bad spell.
I am far from that.
Just wondering!!!
I am---and let me give you a little past history if I may.. Yes, I may. On July 26th, 2011 with the Red Sox, having recovered from a 2-11 start and another slump for about a week in between, had gone on a tear and were in first place in the AL East heading into deep summer. On the old board Sawxheads (some members here were on so you can check with them for verification), I predicted that if we had another downturn it would be a final one and the team would collapse in total. It happened in September as you should know. I'm saying this team right now is on the cusp of a total meltdown. You've heard me bellow all year that "this is a shitty team". Well what would you call us now. Look we have losers on this team, no leaders, no one ready to take responsibility to set an example even though Dustin could if he could get those o ther gutless bastards to listen to them. Look now. Bradley is back in a slump and you know what that spells; Choker is a total loser, Betts is playing like a putz, Hanley is gone South, Moreland is in an eclipse, and our catching is not up to par on the offensive front. That doesn't leave much, does it? Yes, this team is on its way deep into the tank.
Swihart needs to show the Sox two very important things before seeing the Fens anytime soon .
#1 starts to learn how to hit consistently.
#2 lose his love affair with the DL. The guy can`t stay on the field and offers no help until he learns how to be tough.
This team is a long way from dead. The problem is both Betts and Bogaerts aren't hitting the way they did last year. Both have too much talent to remain in the current slump. Xander has got into some bad habits. He has become too selective in waiting for his pitch. This is because he has had too much success hitting with two strikes so he has gotten over confident. Today with a running on third with less then two outs CC gave him a meatball on the first pitch. It was the best pitch he got the entire at bat. Instead he waited until two strikes and he hit a weak pop fly to right. Furthermore he is chopping at the ball instead of driving the ball. He has got to get rid of these bad habits
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 16, 2017, 04:07:43 PM
Quote from: Bill-806 on July 16, 2017, 07:10:53 AM
1:00 ???? Hope the RED SOX are awake by then !! We NEED TWO wins today as last nights game was a NATIONAL CRIME !!! GO RED SOX !!! thumb_u
Bill---for your own good let me try and get through to you. This team of our is collapsing right before our eyes. They have no energy, no drive, no commitment, and, what's more, they have a bunch of gutless bums on the roster led by Pukegerts, who, if you noticed, made another error today like the one he made yesterday. This is just one of our p roblems---we have many. When X, as in excretment , doesn't hit he takes his hitting out to the field with him. This guy should be benched with the hope someone can play SS adequately enough to keep him there. I've grown to really despise this guy. He is a choker beyond all measure and I've known that since the Opening Home Series in 2014 when he left between 15-18 runners on base in that three game debacle with Milwaukee which set us on a pattern of deterioration that continues to this day
Easy there S B F ..... Heck, I am not the manager or G M..... Unless they call on me for my OPINION & KNOWLEDGE I can't help you.... Watch your blood pressure !! iono slap rofl
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 16, 2017, 04:17:34 PM
I understand the frustration but is anyone SERIOUSLY writing this season off during this bad spell.
I am far from that.
Just wondering!!!
Not writing them off. But, just like I wouldn't write off MIN, TB, NYY, TEX, SEA, LAA, KC. We are in that sea of mediocrity imo. Only HOU has punched a ticket to the playoffs for sure. And like all the teams mentioned, this team has problems that keep it from stepping out of the pack = HITTING.
The frustrating thing is that they are major underachievers. And before anyone gets excited about win streaks and such, even crappy teams can go off and grab 5-6 or more Ws in a row. The A's have had W streaks of 5, 4, 4....
Remember the Mets of 2 years ago who made the WS? This team is like that - solid starting pitching with an unreliable offense
BUT the NYM played in the NL. See?
Quote from: ipot on July 16, 2017, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 16, 2017, 04:17:34 PM
I understand the frustration but is anyone SERIOUSLY writing this season off during this bad spell.
I am far from that.
Just wondering!!!
Not writing them off. But, just like I wouldn't write off MIN, TB, NYY, TEX, SEA, LAA, KC. We are in that sea of mediocrity imo. Only HOU has punched a ticket to the playoffs for sure. And like all the teams mentioned, this team has problems that keep it from stepping out of the pack = HITTING.
The frustrating thing is that they are major underachievers. And before anyone gets excited about win streaks and such, even crappy teams can go off and grab 5-6 or more Ws in a row. The A's have had W streaks of 5, 4, 4....
Remember the Mets of 2 years ago who made the WS? This team is like that - solid starting pitching with an unreliable offense BUT the NYM played in the NL. See?
AND iPot,
The METS that year traded for a big bat - Cespedes and ran his bat
along with pitching into the Postseason AND the World Series.
Season a write off? Nope. It's a cluster-f***. This is not a knock on the players. That panning dugout shot at the end of the game said it all. They might very well like each other, or even love each other. They play hard because that is what they do. They are not led well. Worse than that, they are being inconsistently and wrongly managed or handled.
Look, getting dropped down in the order, platooned for, pinch hit for or anything like that is a demotion. It's not just another spot in the batting order. There is a different energy and an ebb and flow to the game that actually does change depending on where you hit. That's just the start of it. Just the start.
I do not want see good money thrown at something destined for deer in the headlight thing. This team will rebound. This group does that. JF's job will be safe.