RED SOX V RAYS
SUNDAY, JULY 9, 2017, 1 PM AT TROPICANA FIELD
TV: NESN, FOX SPORTS SUN
BOSTON, (50-38)..............................................................................................TAMPA, (46-43)
BOSTON:
DAVID PRICE, LHP, 4-2, 4.02 ERA, 45K
Price didn't allow a run during a start for the first time this year on Tuesday
vs. the Rangers. Price gave up six hits, but he held Texas scoreless as Boston raced
out to an early lead. Price struck out nine batters as well.
TAMPA:
CHRIS ARCHER, RHP, 7-5, 3.95 ERA, 139K
Archer's last outing was a special one, as he made not only his eleventh quality
start of the year, but also tallied his first career hit and RBI. The Rays have won four
of Archer's last five starts, while he's gone at least six innings in his last nine.
Old 'family' to face off in Price-Archer duel
Connor Mount
Former Rays teammates Chris Archer (7-5, 3.95) and David Price (4-2, 4.02) will share the same mound for the second time in their careers Sunday.
The only other time Archer and Price squared off came when Price was with the Blue Jays in 2015. A matchup of top pitchers turned into a 10-8 slugfest won that day by Toronto. Price received the win by lasting five innings while giving up four earned runs. Archer was tagged for nine earned runs in 3 2/3 innings.
Now Price will oppose Archer for the first time with the Red Sox. Price made four starts against the Rays last year in his first season with Boston, but never against Archer. He shut down Tampa Bay in his last two outings, combining for 16 shutout innings with 18 strikeouts and only six hits allowed.
Archer said he is excited to face off against a mentor who helped show him how to take care of his body between starts in order to handle the heavy-innings workload Archer craves.
"I'm obviously focused on that lineup, but to be able to … square off against the teacher is always fun," Archer said. "It's like [James] Shields was a grandpa, Price is the dad, and I'm one of the sons in the trio, in the line."
THREE THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME
• Price had his first scoreless outing of the season in his last start. In beating Texas, he struck out nine over six innings while holding the Rangers to six hits.
• Archer has completed at least six innings in his last nine starts, a streak that ties his career high. His 116 1/3 innings pitched rank fifth-highest in the Majors.
• Archer had lost 11 consecutive decisions to the Red Sox before besting them on the road April 14. It was his first win against Boston since September 2012.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/20170708241204094/old-family-to-face-off-in-price-archer-duel/?game_pk=491421
One more before break.
Betts RF,
Pedroia 2B,
Bogaerts SS,
Moreland 1B,
Benintendi LF,
Ramirez DH,
Bradley Jr. CF,
Vazquez C,
Lin 3B,
Price.
This is going to be another nail biter....our offense needs to show up. sigh
As DAD would say, "SON, as Jimmy Dolittle said in the early days of WWII, "VICTORY GOES TO THOSE WHO WANT IT THE MOST, WANT IT THE LONGEST"....The SOX need todays game really bad, lets see who shows up ?? thumb_u rofl iono slap
Quote from: Bear on July 09, 2017, 12:35:16 AM
One more before break.
Betts RF,
Pedroia 2B,
Bogaerts SS,
Moreland 1B,
Benintendi LF,
Ramirez DH,
Bradley Jr. CF,
Vazquez C,
Lin 3B,
Price.
I like this lineup, Beni in between Moreland & Han/Ram !! thumb_u
Quote from: Bear on July 09, 2017, 12:39:10 AM
This is going to be another nail biter....our offense needs to show up. sigh
Yup. Archer is no slouch. And after yesterday's snoozefest, they need to find a way to score a few early and give Price a lead to work with.
Hard to score a lot of runs when Betts and a few other as a whole have stunk up the road trip. Sure he has 9 RBI in the 9 games we have played so far on the trip but 8 of those were in 1 game. So in the other 8 games he has 1 RBI. Plus over the last 7 games he's only hitting .212. Not good. Moreland is only hitting .208 the last 7 days with no RBI. Xman is hitting .167 with 2 RBI the last 7 days. Haney on the other hand who seems to be uninterested at times has hit .290 with 4 RBI. If Moreland isn't going to hit use Travis for a while.
Then we have all the talk of needing a 3rd baseman (which long term we may) but right now between Lin and Marrero they are hitting .378 between them. Marrero at .438 and Lin at .318 over the past 7 days with 5 RBI between them. The Sox are about 23-13 (something close to that anyway) when Marrero starts. The team has hitting problems and right now they are at 1st base, right field and short stop. If the team is to win consistently those guys need to pick it up.
Nice start to the game for Betts & the Sox.
Price gives the run right back. 1-1 after 1 inning.
Is that LOBster I smell?
Xman K's on 3 pitches where 2 were outside the strike zone. And yes, that was LOBster alright.
Pedroia has looked bad in both at bats so far. Was hoping he would make up for yesterday when he grounded out to shortstop 4 times.
Why don't the Sox get lucky hits like that? Ball is past the hitter and he just barely gets the bat on it and it goes down the 3rd base line for a double moving the runner to 3rd who ended up scoreing on a sac fly. Was the big hit of the inning. 2-1 TB after 3 innings.
If Hanley had gone 1st to 3rd on JBJ's soft single he would of scored on the caught foul ball down the right field line. And he knew he should of been on 3rd.
Nobody wants to get a hit with a runner on base.
These guys OWE our pitchers, BIG TIME !!! Score some runs please !! iono slap rofl
Good job by Price. Now need the offense to show up.
Finally!!! Pedey comes through with a 2-run dinger.
Offense showed up finally. Now need more.
Archer threw one pitch too many.
Barnes....four potches and a walk. I would have Barnes on the shortest of all leashes. Two batters and out. When he is "off" it goes quick. He gets it together he is almost untouchable. See what happens.
Hard hit to Lin who knocked it down. Not sure if he would of had a play at 1st. Bad part was the guy at 2nd moved up to 3rd. I thought it was going down the line when hit. DP would be nice.
Ugh. Can't hold a lead, can't bring in runners. Any wonder why they're about to lose their 4th game out of the last 5?
Game over.
An 1-2 cookie curve ball in middle of the plate. Inning started with a walk and ended with a 2 run hr. No one wants to step up and be counted it seems.
Barnes has been a model of inconsistency, very disappointing really, when he has the potential to be 8th inning set-up guy. Kelly has usually been really good out of the pen.
And whatever the Sox do, they need to either release Panda, or extend his injury rehab time down in Pawtucket. Maybe his other ear will start bothering him.
Ugh!
Miller guessed right on Kelly. Big high heater way out of zone and he guessed Kelly was decoying him. Could not have timed that curveball any better than he did. Score one for the bad guys.
Think they got their message sent? They took us 3 of 4 and climbed right back in.
Gonna get very intetesting!°
LMAO! TB = 70M payroll and NY and BOS=200M. If TB had some real fans I would feel a bit tender for them.
So, I've been biting my lip on this one. I know which way I lean. I say let it drop.
Late inning and we're ahead. We have a weak line-up right now. We have a shut down ace and a guy on the mound who can get through 5 outs. He did not, but that was after the fact. If there's one out and a foul ball is hit anywhere past short LF, I''m saying let it drop to avoid a sac fly. I say preserving a lead in late innings is prioroty over big inning protection in that scenario.
Whatchyu folks thing? I love baseball. The strategy options are fun.
Was my thought for Beni to let the foul ball drop. But they don't think that way. It would of momentarily stopped them from getting the run to tie it but who knows what would of happened after that.
Hanley screwed up on the JBJ bloop single. If he had gone 1st to 3rd the Sox would of scored on the diving catch foul ball in right. If the Sox don't start getting some production out of our 3-5 hitters that means something it will be a long 2nd half. Hanley has been getting some base hits but there never seems to be to many on base when he does. Moreland needs to move down in the lineup behind Beni and JBJ or let Travis play for a while.
Quote from: Bill-806 on July 09, 2017, 10:29:18 AM
As DAD would say, "SON, as Jimmy Dolittle said in the early days of WWII, "VICTORY GOES TO THOSE WHO WANT IT THE MOST, WANT IT THE LONGEST"....The SOX need todays game really bad, lets see who shows up ?? thumb_u rofl iono slap
Well our guys weren't listening to you Bill. You saw Pukegaerts go 0 for 5 because he is nothing more than a gutless choking bastard who should not be in the third slot of the batting order any more. He sucks and the pitchers are now on to him but it is a total and complete surprise that more on this board haven't realized by now that this guy is an overrated choker. Betts also stands convicted because, homer or not today, he hasn't hit worth shit in the past five games. This team may be in first place right now but, mark ,my words, if another AL East team gets real hot we will be steam rolled because our team lacks character, heart, guts and balls.
Lost 4 of 5. The offense looks like crap again. Somehow the pen blowing doesn't bother me as much as the bats going DOA.
Only bright part of today's games, the yankees took another loss.
Yankees and Rays are now tied and 3.5 games behind the Sox.
I am furious with the way this group finished out the week. A real downer.
The only silver lining may be that this week opened DD's eyes to our real need---like getting a bat or two who can produce.
RESPONSIBILTY ???? Who is going to step up to this 3/4 loss in Tampa Bay !! thumb_d rofl iono slap
Quote from: Bear on July 09, 2017, 06:15:44 PM
Only bright part of today's games, the yankees took another loss.
Yankees and Rays are now tied and 3.5 games behind the Sox.
If we are to "assume" the Sox are the frontrunners for the ALE title, then it's the Rays who are the real threat, imo. Not the NYY. I think the NYY peaked - and with the injuries and so-so pitching - will fade away.
TB has, like in years past, been quietly winning and closing in.
What a way to end the first half ?? Just disgusting !!! thumb_d slap
Quote from: Muggah on July 09, 2017, 07:10:45 PM
I am furious with the way this group finished out the week. A real downer.
The only silver lining may be that this week opened DD's eyes to our real need---like getting a bat or two who can produce.
I don't think this week was any different than any other - they win when they hit, but they just disappear at the plate for stretches. It's frustrating to watch, especially as it doesn't seem to matter who they're up against, they just decide to swing at crap and half the time they're not sure if they want to hit the ball.
Quote from: ipot on July 09, 2017, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: Bear on July 09, 2017, 06:15:44 PM
Only bright part of today's games, the yankees took another loss.
Yankees and Rays are now tied and 3.5 games behind the Sox.
If we are to "assume" the Sox are the frontrunners for the ALE title, then it's the Rays who are the real threat, imo. Not the NYY. I think the NYY peaked - and with the injuries and so-so pitching - will fade away.
TB has, like in years past, been quietly winning and closing in.
You are right about the NYY.I also believe they peaked and the Rays are indeed the ones to watch.While Judge is having a rookie season for the
AGES it's hard to think the kid can keep this up all season long.Sox keep a bat especially at 3rd but which team is simply going to give one away for little in return. ANSWER..NO ONE. I just can`t see them getting someone that is the answer to the 3rd base horror without giving up someone in their top 10 prospects. JUST WON`T HAPPEN.
The only one I can see is Todd Frazier of that other Sox team. A power hitter with little in the BA department.Under control for 2017 and FA in 2018.
Shouldn`t cost a top prospect and at least add some needed power.
We need hitting and we're not getting it from chokers like Pukegaerts, Zitts, Puddy, Boreland, and bumbling Hanley. As long as they cannot hit consistently we are starving for production and as much as I like Lin his contributions are minimal since he is NOT a run producer as those other guys are supposed to be. Let me put some new colors in your paint box.....and all my friends here listen carefully......IF WE GO SOUTH IN THAT FOUR GAME SERIES AGAINST THE YANKEES AFTER THE ASB WE ARE HEADED DOWN A SLIPPERY SLOP INTO THE DEEP TANK. Remember September, 2011? We could have a repeat of that. Yes, this team is potentially a good one but is also potentially a shitty one too.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 10, 2017, 09:28:17 AM
We need hitting and we're not getting it from chokers like Pukegaerts, Zitts, Puddy, Boreland, and bumbling Hanley. As long as they cannot hit consistently we are starving for production and as much as I like Lin his contributions are minimal since he is NOT a run producer as those other guys are supposed to be. Let me put some new colors in your paint box.....and all my friends here listen carefully......IF WE GO SOUTH IN THAT FOUR GAME SERIES AGAINST THE YANKEES AFTER THE ASB WE ARE HEADED DOWN A SLIPPERY SLOP INTO THE DEEP TANK. Remember September, 2011? We could have a repeat of that. Yes, this team is potentially a good one but is also potentially a shitty one too.
Where are the HITTING COACHES ??? They need a change of philosophy !! thumb_d iono slap rofl
If the Sox are determined to get a 3rd baseman I'd look at Jed Lowrie. He's hitting .279 with 9 Hr's and 32 RBI. He's a switch hitter who can play 3rd, SS & 2nd. Would owe him the remainder of his 6.5 million salary and he has a team option for next year at the same cost or you buy him out for 1 million. Basically a rental unless you want to keep him. Obviously he's a much better LH hitter looking at his stats. I'd rather have him because of his versatility and the fact he has a much higher average than the guy from the White Sox and he still has some pop in his bat.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 10, 2017, 10:53:52 AM
If the Sox are determined to get a 3rd baseman I'd look at Jed Lowrie. He's hitting .279 with 9 Hr's and 32 RBI. He's a switch hitter who can play 3rd, SS & 2nd. Would owe him the remainder of his 6.5 million salary and he has a team option for next year at the same cost or you buy him out for 1 million. Basically a rental unless you want to keep him. Obviously he's a much better LH hitter looking at his stats. I'd rather have him because of his versatility and the fact he has a much higher average than the guy from the White Sox and he still has some pop in his bat.
Lowrie is always good when he's on the field. I think he's had one complete season. Maybe if he's healthy, but I wouldn't give up much for him.
Quote from: Schloicka on July 10, 2017, 10:53:52 AM
If the Sox are determined to get a 3rd baseman I'd look at Jed Lowrie. He's hitting .279 with 9 Hr's and 32 RBI. He's a switch hitter who can play 3rd, SS & 2nd. Would owe him the remainder of his 6.5 million salary and he has a team option for next year at the same cost or you buy him out for 1 million. Basically a rental unless you want to keep him. Obviously he's a much better LH hitter looking at his stats. I'd rather have him because of his versatility and the fact he has a much higher average than the guy from the White Sox and he still has some pop in his bat.
I forgot about old friend Jed.You are right he could be a good fit and yeah I agree better for the Sox than Frazier.
I like to read suggestions rather than saying we need this or that. Good info.
Quote from: Rob from Mass on July 10, 2017, 11:17:28 AM
Quote from: Schloicka on July 10, 2017, 10:53:52 AM
If the Sox are determined to get a 3rd baseman I'd look at Jed Lowrie. He's hitting .279 with 9 Hr's and 32 RBI. He's a switch hitter who can play 3rd, SS & 2nd. Would owe him the remainder of his 6.5 million salary and he has a team option for next year at the same cost or you buy him out for 1 million. Basically a rental unless you want to keep him. Obviously he's a much better LH hitter looking at his stats. I'd rather have him because of his versatility and the fact he has a much higher average than the guy from the White Sox and he still has some pop in his bat.
I forgot about old friend Jed.You are right he could be a good fit and yeah I agree better for the Sox than Frazier.
I like to read suggestions rather than saying we need this or that. Good info.
Yes. I was about to endorse Rob's idea of Frazier, but I keep forgetting about Lowrie. Jed is indeed versatile, experienced, and brings a decent amount of all the hitting tools.
I actually think the Schloik has come up with a very good suggestion. As I remember Jed, when he could stay on the field, he was very versatile and, get this, HE WAS A GOOD CLUTCH HITTER (are you listening Pukegaerts?) I really think Dombrowski could get him for a half decent prospect. I'm all for this because he could give Pedey a breather now and then and when necessary keep Bogaerts from leaving more runners on base. DD, you heard the chorus....go get Lowrie and no more damn excuses for trying to hold on to Sandoval, which, come to think of it, would mean that Jed's coming to Boston might actually finally get Sandoval out of Boston.
Even though the Yanks won the H R DERBY last night, it was nice to see that our SOX did not loose any ground in the standings !!! thumb_u rofl