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Red Sox
Eduardo Rodriguez (L)
1. Mookie Betts (R) RF
2. Rafael Devers (L) 3B
3. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS
4. J.D. Martinez (R) DH
5. Michael Chavis (R) 1B
6. Christian Vazquez (R) C
7. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF
8. Eduardo Nunez (R) 2B
9. Sam Travis (R) LF
Yankees
Stephen Tarpley (L)
1. DJ LeMahieu (R) 1B
2. Aaron Judge (R) RF
3. Aaron Hicks (S) CF
4. Gary Sanchez (R) C
5. Edwin Encarnacion (R) DH
6. Didi Gregorius (L) SS
7. Gleyber Torres (R) 2B
8. Gio Urshela (R) 3B
9. Brett Gardner (L) LF
Gametime Temp: 75°F
Chance of Precip: 4%
Beni`s leg must be hurting again.
Sox jumping on NY early today. 3-0.
Now Vaz with a solo dinger. 3 HRs this inning. Sort of like yesterday without the bad parts. Sox up 4-0.
Sloppy play by Xander costs them a DP.
Nunez screwup costs them another run.
Nunez misplays another one at second base. Once again one questions Nunez's defense.
What is the difference between the Chinese Water Torture and watching E-Rod pitch...… NOTHING!!!!
E-Rod is his own worst enemy
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 09:57:12 AM
What is the difference between the Chinese Water Torture and watching E-Rod pitch...… NOTHING!!!!
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Add Nunez to that also.
Watching Nunez play defense is more like water boarding !!!!
Once again E-Rod walks the lead off batter , He is afraid to pitch to every batter.
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 09:52:08 AM
Nunez misplays another one at second base. Once again one questions Nunez's defense.
NUNEZ is SLOWLY killing us, can't move, no matter what POSITION...… Outside of D H, it is time for him to go...… NOW GRASSHOPPER !! iono iono rofl rofl rofl
Quote from: Murph on June 30, 2019, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 09:57:12 AM
What is the difference between the Chinese Water Torture and watching E-Rod pitch...… NOTHING!!!!
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Add Nunez to that also.
B I N G O dat on BOTH ……. rofl rofl rofl rofl
WOW, great hustle play by Chavis running about 60 feet in foul territory.
Amazing E-Rod went through 5 with the lead. The last four innings should be interesting. Sox need more runs.
My Son a nut buster just brought over a rosary and a bottle of JACK. Sadly I probably will need both.
Quote from: Murph on June 30, 2019, 11:03:03 AM
WOW, great hustle play by Chavis running about 60 feet in foul territory.
As DAD would say, "SON, I like that CHAVIS KID" !! Begs the question, Where oh where has MITCHY TWO BAGS gone ?? iono iono iono iono
Ok which Sox reliever will get the blown save.
IMO that was a stupid defensive alignment, having the shift on. Late innings you play a no doubles defense by guarding the lines. In a normal alignment that would have been handled by the 1st baseman.
Looks like Walden is the BS candidate
Just a matter of time before the much better club took the lead.
And Marcus Walden gets the blown save. The bull pen continues to live up to expectations aided and abetted by incompetent field game management
Shouldn’t Barnes had been there to start this inning or at least once there were base runners? Isn’t that the “high leverage†situation they said they’d use him in as opposed to the pen? 17th blown save today. Figure they should have won at least a dozen of those. I hope they enjoy the luxury flight home as they appear to like that part of the game as opposed to actually playing it.
There is so much wrong with Red Sox pitching and how they have been managed ( correction should read mismanaged) that it is textbook as to how to screw up an otherwise excellent ballclub.
The ball hit it no man's land loads the bases.
The rout is on.
Barnes showed how effective a reliever he is. Now 7 to 4. My wife's solution put in Nunez to pitch as he is probably a better pitcher than 2nd baseman.
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 12:12:11 PM
Barnes showed how effective a reliever he is. Now 7 to 4. My wife's solution put in Nunez to pitch as he is probably a better pitcher than 2nd baseman.
LMAO but she has a great idea for this lackluster Sox team
Another reliever come in and walks the 1st batter.
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 12:12:11 PM
Barnes showed how effective a reliever he is. Now 7 to 4. My wife's solution put in Nunez to pitch as he is probably a better pitcher than 2nd baseman.
She may be on to something there.
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 12:16:11 PM
Another reliever come in and walks the 1st batter.
That’s typically the least damaging outcome for our pitchers.
Pile it in Yanks. Make it easy for the FO not to be stupid and waste trades. SELL SELL SELL.
WTF was that?
Those leadoff walks are a direct product of the Sox's screwed up approach towards pitching. They get 2 strikes on batters then nibble, get to 3-2 and then the batters knows what is coming and the roof caves in.
Quote from: Murph on June 30, 2019, 12:21:38 PM
Pile it in Yanks. Make it easy for the FO not to be stupid and waste trades. SELL SELL SELL.
I wouldn't sell. I'd fire the manager and pitching coach.
Question is which manager has done the worst job for his team. In the AL clearly it is no contest.
Quote from: Bill-806 on June 30, 2019, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 09:52:08 AM
Nunez misplays another one at second base. Once again one questions Nunez's defense.
NUNEZ is SLOWLY killing us, can't move, no matter what POSITION...… Outside of D H, it is time for him to go...… NOW GRASSHOPPER !! iono iono rofl rofl rofl
Hey Cora, you stupid son of a bitch, Holt has to be in there no matter who is pitching. NUnez is a defensive disaster, but, then again, so is Barnes, Walden, Taylor ,Schwaryn and that whole shit faced bullpen.
Beautiful
That 9 run explosion has left this team totally demoralized. While they won't finish last because the Os are so bad they will probably be all but mathematically eliminated from the wild card before the end of August. Barnes has lost whatever confidence he has had.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 30, 2019, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: Bill-806 on June 30, 2019, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 09:52:08 AM
Nunez misplays another one at second base. Once again one questions Nunez's defense.
NUNEZ is SLOWLY killing us, can't move, no matter what POSITION...… Outside of D H, it is time for him to go...… NOW GRASSHOPPER !! iono iono rofl rofl rofl
Hey Cora, you stupid son of a bitch, Holt has to be in there no matter who is pitching. NUnez is a defensive disaster, but, then again, so is Barnes, Walden, Taylor ,Schwaryn and that whole shit faced bullpen.
Holt hurt his hammy yesterday.
Chavis blows another one.
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 12:23:36 PM
Those leadoff walks are a direct product of the Sox's screwed up approach towards pitching. They get 2 strikes on batters then nibble, get to 3-2 and then the batters knows what is coming and the roof caves in.
Could Dana LaVangie, the pitching coach, be a culprit in this debacle of a season. We have seen our pitchers constantly get ahead of batters, the n nibble, nibble, nibble and either walk their man or get hammered because the bat ters know what's coming. From top to bottom this team of ours sucks like a rotten egg. I really think that if this continues intos next season Cora could and should lose his job. His malfeasance from a cracker jack skipper to a jack off incompetent just boggles my mind. How could a man go from one extreme to another in less than a year? Time to maybe back up the truck.
The team is embarrassing.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 30, 2019, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 12:23:36 PM
Those leadoff walks are a direct product of the Sox's screwed up approach towards pitching. They get 2 strikes on batters then nibble, get to 3-2 and then the batters knows what is coming and the roof caves in.
Could Dana LaVangie, the pitching coach, be a culprit in this debacle of a season. We have seen our pitchers constantly get ahead of batters, the n nibble, nibble, nibble and either walk their man or get hammered because the bat ters know what's coming. From top to bottom this team of ours sucks like a rotten egg. I really think that if this continues intos next season Cora could and should lose his job. His malfeasance from a cracker jack skipper to a jack off incompetent just boggles my mind. How could a man go from one extreme to another in less than a year? Time to maybe back up the truck.
Not only Cora, but does JH trust Dombrowski to do a reset with this team, given the lack of attention last off season? A Lucchino moment may be in order. A lot of folks think it is decision time in 2-3 weeks to fish or cut bait with the trade deadline. DD just might stub his toe again.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 30, 2019, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 12:23:36 PM
Those leadoff walks are a direct product of the Sox's screwed up approach towards pitching. They get 2 strikes on batters then nibble, get to 3-2 and then the batters knows what is coming and the roof caves in.
Could Dana LaVangie, the pitching coach, be a culprit in this debacle of a season. We have seen our pitchers constantly get ahead of batters, the n nibble, nibble, nibble and either walk their man or get hammered because the bat ters know what's coming. From top to bottom this team of ours sucks like a rotten egg. I really think that if this continues intos next season Cora could and should lose his job. His malfeasance from a cracker jack skipper to a jack off incompetent just boggles my mind. How could a man go from one extreme to another in less than a year? Time to maybe back up the truck.
I would most certainly blame the pitching coach. A-Rod made a couple of good points today about some dumb choice of pitches by sox hurlers so I don't like their entire approach. I also don't like the fact that their defensive shifting often makes no sense; for example shifting for the batter to pull and then pitching him outside. That shift in the 7th was stupid because they weren't in a no doubles defense when they should have been.
This manager screwed up royally in ST and has kept digging a bigger hole for the team since.
The entire pitching staff, in general with few exceptions, has lost confidence in themselves. Major changes are needed not only in personnel but also philosophy. DD et al needs to do a rethink on their approach towards pitching and the development of pitchers. This club has not developed a major league pitcher in more than a dozen years.
So much for that rally.
Now he sends Wright in? Where was he earlier in the game? Like before the 9-run disaster inning?
That was my question
Another loss to the yankees, another blown save and another humiliating performance by both the bull pen and manager.
FO will be scratching there heads with a lot of work to do. Going to be a different feeling come the trading deadline.
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on June 30, 2019, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 30, 2019, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 12:23:36 PM
Those leadoff walks are a direct product of the Sox's screwed up approach towards pitching. They get 2 strikes on batters then nibble, get to 3-2 and then the batters knows what is coming and the roof caves in.
Could Dana LaVangie, the pitching coach, be a culprit in this debacle of a season. We have seen our pitchers constantly get ahead of batters, the n nibble, nibble, nibble and either walk their man or get hammered because the bat ters know what's coming. From top to bottom this team of ours sucks like a rotten egg. I really think that if this continues intos next season Cora could and should lose his job. His malfeasance from a cracker jack skipper to a jack off incompetent just boggles my mind. How could a man go from one extreme to another in less than a year? Time to maybe back up the truck.
Not only Cora, but does JH trust Dombrowski to do a reset with this team, given the lack of attention last off season? A Lucchino moment may be in order. A lot of folks think it is decision time in 2-3 weeks to fish or cut bait with the trade deadline. DD just might stub his toe again.
I hope by "Lucchino moment" you weren't implying that we bring that total butt back and put him in charge of Baseball Ops again. His incompetence and low balling our players sent us spinning into irrelevance in 2014-2015 and the worst thing that can happen is go bring that bum back.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 30, 2019, 02:27:08 PM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on June 30, 2019, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on June 30, 2019, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on June 30, 2019, 12:23:36 PM
Those leadoff walks are a direct product of the Sox's screwed up approach towards pitching. They get 2 strikes on batters then nibble, get to 3-2 and then the batters knows what is coming and the roof caves in.
Could Dana LaVangie, the pitching coach, be a culprit in this debacle of a season. We have seen our pitchers constantly get ahead of batters, the n nibble, nibble, nibble and either walk their man or get hammered because the bat ters know what's coming. From top to bottom this team of ours sucks like a rotten egg. I really think that if this continues intos next season Cora could and should lose his job. His malfeasance from a cracker jack skipper to a jack off incompetent just boggles my mind. How could a man go from one extreme to another in less than a year? Time to maybe back up the truck.
Not only Cora, but does JH trust Dombrowski to do a reset with this team, given the lack of attention last off season? A Lucchino moment may be in order. A lot of folks think it is decision time in 2-3 weeks to fish or cut bait with the trade deadline. DD just might stub his toe again.
I hope by "Lucchino moment" you weren't implying that we bring that total butt back and put him in charge of Baseball Ops again. His incompetence and low balling our players sent us spinning into irrelevance in 2014-2015 and the worst thing that can happen is go bring that bum back.
Nope. I meant the Luccino moment when JH fired him for HIS gross negligence. DD is treading on thin ice. How many Tiger relationships does he have left?
"LIKE SAND THRU THE HOUR GLASS, SO ARE THE DAYS OF OUR 2019 RED SOX" …. iono iono iono rofl rofl rofl
John Henry's comments to WEEI last night, 'the team is built to win, we just need to play better. ' I imagine that was a guarded comment, not to show our hand to a trade partner who will want a kings ransom for a pitcher or 2B or (fill in the blank). If he is really thinking more about status quo, I just don't know what to say e,crept %#$&.
I just can`t see JH being foolish and going out and getting any good player that will cost the team another 1st round draft pick. Chances are slim to get a WC with 4 teams ahead of them. Will they entertain thoughts of trading Mookie? See what happens when they offer him an extension and go from there. It would also help to know what Pedey will do. It would benefit the team money wise should he retire
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 01, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
John Henry's comments to WEEI last night, 'the team is built to win, we just need to play better. ' I imagine that was a guarded comment, not to show our hand to a trade partner who will want a kings ransom for a pitcher or 2B or (fill in the blank). If he is really thinking more about status quo, I just don't know what to say e,crept %#$&.
I was once a severe critic of John Henry but he won me over last season when he fired John Farrell and made it clear AL East Titles were not enough and he waned a World Series Title, in his case his fourth. We got that but were warned that going over the LT threshold spending would have bring some sacrifices the next season or two and now they have. What could have been done was to trade one of our regulars---perhaps Bradley, perhaps Devers, perhaps Vasquez, along with a prospect or two to get a reliever who could save games. Well we didn't get that done and now we have to see bums and chokers like Barnes, Workman, Brasier and others stink up as our chances for a post season berth goes up in smoke.
Quote from: Murph on July 01, 2019, 11:09:44 AM
I just can`t see JH being foolish and going out and getting any good player that will cost the team another 1st round draft pick. Chances are slim to get a WC with 4 teams ahead of them. Will they entertain thoughts of trading Mookie? See what happens when they offer him an extension and go from there. It would also help to know what Pedey will do. It would benefit the team money wise should he retire
As much as I loved Pedroia the fact is his knee is shot and for the past season and a half he has given us less than a half-dozen games and he shows no indication of his coming back. Being a good team player and a diehard RexSox loyalist he should consider his team and give us the opportunity to use the money he leaves behind to get some relievers so we don't blow more than 30 games next season---which the way we're going that most likely will be how many saves we blow with the garbage we keep sending out there.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 01, 2019, 02:26:43 PM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 01, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
John Henry's comments to WEEI last night, 'the team is built to win, we just need to play better. ' I imagine that was a guarded comment, not to show our hand to a trade partner who will want a kings ransom for a pitcher or 2B or (fill in the blank). If he is really thinking more about status quo, I just don't know what to say e,crept %#$&.
I was once a severe critic of John Henry but he won me over last season when he fired John Farrell and made it clear AL East Titles were not enough and he waned a World Series Title, in his case his fourth. We got that but were warned that going over the LT threshold spending would have bring some sacrifices the next season or two and now they have. What could have been done was to trade one of our regulars---perhaps Bradley, perhaps Devers, perhaps Vasquez, along with a prospect or two to get a reliever who could save games. Well we didn't get that done and now we have to see bums and chokers like Barnes, Workman, Brasier and others stink up as our chances for a post season berth goes up in smoke.
Thank the Lord he was smart enough not to trade Raffy. He has been the one steady bright spot all year. Since shedding some weight he has improved his defense a lot.Through his 1st 32 games he had 9 E.His next 49 games
ONLY 3.
Throw in Vaz also has been damn good so far on both sides of the ball.
Quote from: Murph on July 01, 2019, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 01, 2019, 02:26:43 PM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 01, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
John Henry's comments to WEEI last night, 'the team is built to win, we just need to play better. ' I imagine that was a guarded comment, not to show our hand to a trade partner who will want a kings ransom for a pitcher or 2B or (fill in the blank). If he is really thinking more about status quo, I just don't know what to say e,crept %#$&.
I was once a severe critic of John Henry but he won me over last season when he fired John Farrell and made it clear AL East Titles were not enough and he waned a World Series Title, in his case his fourth. We got that but were warned that going over the LT threshold spending would have bring some sacrifices the next season or two and now they have. What could have been done was to trade one of our regulars---perhaps Bradley, perhaps Devers, perhaps Vasquez, along with a prospect or two to get a reliever who could save games. Well we didn't get that done and now we have to see bums and chokers like Barnes, Workman, Brasier and others stink up as our chances for a post season berth goes up in smoke.
Thank the Lord he was smart enough not to trade Raffy. He has been the one steady bright spot all year. Since shedding some weight he has improved his defense a lot.Through his 1st 32 games he had 9 E.His next 49 games ONLY 3.
Throw in Vaz also has been damn good so far on both sides of the ball.
Very true Murph but there apparently was no other way we could sign a quality reliever or two without either trading someone of value or going deeper into the luxury tax penalty box. As you and most of our colleagues know for a fact, I have never been either a Barnes or Workman fan and feared, justifiably as it has turned out, that they would not be made of the stuff needed to give us quality and important relief appearances when we needed them the most. Those others who have followed them have been just as bad or worse.
Based on Henry's actual words "“It’s not a luxury tax issue, it’s a question of how much money do we want to lose,†Henry said. “We’re already over budget and we were substantially over our budget last year and this year. We’re not going to be looking to add a lot of payroll. And it’s hard to imagine fielding a better team. If we play up to our capabilities we’ll be fine. That’s the question: Will we? We’re halfway through and we haven’t….It’s a worthy team because we invested. Two years in a row we have the highest payroll. It’s not a matter of investment, it’s a matter of playing well.“
I suspect the Manager Neuman is on thin ice with ownership. I believe he will get more of the blame than DD is because Henry has a longer relation with the latter than the former and because I believe the manager not the VP for Baseball OPs ,DD, has the day to day responsibility for the team's on the field performance which based on the owner's words is clearly seen as wanting.
DD was in a pickle during the off season. There was a tight margin with the next step in the LTT. Free agents were talking unreachable contracts. DD wanted two 1Bs with the platoon and signed Pearce for $6mil (no brainer, he was a Series MVP). There was only a small part of the payroll left, so he tried to add to the BP with some lesser known pieces.
He extended Sale and Nathan, a given. Then all he!! broke loose when Pearce was injued in ST, Sale had an injury to his toe coming out of ST, and Nathan blows an elbow later. He rolled the dice and came up losing most of those moves as a result. Call it the worst of luck or WS hangover, then Cora mismanages the rest of the club at the start of the process. Whoever is to blame for whatever reason, we have a $240mil team playing .500 ball, that is a reality. But I think a lot of folks here already knew the pressure around big ticket contracts all on one team.
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 01, 2019, 06:11:42 PM
DD was in a pickle during the off season. There was a tight margin with the next step in the LTT. Free agents were talking unreachable contracts. DD wanted two 1Bs with the platoon and signed Pearce for $6mil (no brainer, he was a Series MVP). There was only a small part of the payroll left, so he tried to add to the BP with some lesser known pieces.
He extended Sale and Nathan, a given. Then all he!! broke loose when Pearce was injued in ST, Sale had an injury to his toe coming out of ST, and Nathan blows an elbow later. He rolled the dice and came up losing most of those moves as a result. Call it the worst of luck or WS hangover, then Cora mismanages the rest of the club at the start of the process. Whoever is to blame for whatever reason, we have a $240mil team playing .500 ball, that is a reality. But I think a lot of folks here already knew the pressure around big ticket contracts all on one team.
Those of us in the know certainly did and I think that includes just about everybody on this very well versed board, but no one could have envisioned just how shitty the bullpen would be. I mean it has turned out every worse that the worse case scenario I had in mind----and it may get worse before it gets better. Of course, we never repeat as champions anyway so I did not envision another WS Title this season, but play like we're playing??????? Not in a thousand years. I do think that some drastic action must take place NOW like sending some of the worst ringleaders down to the minors or DFA them---like Barnes, Workman and maybe even Brasier. We have to send a message that this type of piss poor pitching will not be tolerated. Since they have been totally shitty, maybe bring up a couple of young pitchers who haven't been brought up yet and just roll the dice because we are not going anywhere this season. Someone or some people have to pay for this disgusting and embarrassing way we've been playing. In other words HEADS HAVE TO ROLL.
One thing is certain and that is that nobody is stepping up and admitting they screwed up and coming up with a plan to do something about it. What the problems are and how they got here are pretty clear to every fan and in every analysis I’ve seen - even on NESN and at The Globe. Nobody gives a crap if Henry “loses money†and it’s DDs job to make the case to him to replace key arms and Pedroia or to have rotation depth. Cora’s problems are different, from the ST debacle to some truly head scratching at best moves in game.
Totally agree on the pitching coach. This has been a problem for some time with the nibbling and pitches in the dirt, etc. Get the ball in play.
One more thing. Betts seems to be looking for a walk every time now. Find a pitch and drive it. Someone on TV had said they go after the MVP a little harder but it never seems to affect Mike Trout year after year. He looks timid.
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on July 01, 2019, 09:35:13 PM
Quote from: Sea Dog 23 on July 01, 2019, 06:11:42 PM
DD was in a pickle during the off season. There was a tight margin with the next step in the LTT. Free agents were talking unreachable contracts. DD wanted two 1Bs with the platoon and signed Pearce for $6mil (no brainer, he was a Series MVP). There was only a small part of the payroll left, so he tried to add to the BP with some lesser known pieces.
He extended Sale and Nathan, a given. Then all he!! broke loose when Pearce was injued in ST, Sale had an injury to his toe coming out of ST, and Nathan blows an elbow later. He rolled the dice and came up losing most of those moves as a result. Call it the worst of luck or WS hangover, then Cora mismanages the rest of the club at the start of the process. Whoever is to blame for whatever reason, we have a $240mil team playing .500 ball, that is a reality. But I think a lot of folks here already knew the pressure around big ticket contracts all on one team.
Those of us in the know certainly did and I think that includes just about everybody on this very well versed board, but no one could have envisioned just how shitty the bullpen would be. I mean it has turned out every worse that the worse case scenario I had in mind----and it may get worse before it gets better. Of course, we never repeat as champions anyway so I did not envision another WS Title this season, but play like we're playing??????? Not in a thousand years. I do think that some drastic action must take place NOW like sending some of the worst ringleaders down to the minors or DFA them---like Barnes, Workman and maybe even Brasier. We have to send a message that this type of piss poor pitching will not be tolerated. Since they have been totally shitty, maybe bring up a couple of young pitchers who haven't been brought up yet and just roll the dice because we are not going anywhere this season. Someone or some people have to pay for this disgusting and embarrassing way we've been playing. In other words HEADS HAVE TO ROLL.
Those guys would be okay if they weren’t the go-to guys. Some of these other guys have no business being on a MLB team.