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Title: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 02:39:33 PM
Game time 8:15PM

Yankees
Masahiro Tanaka (R)

1. Andrew McCutchen (R) LF
2. Aaron Judge (R) RF
3. Luke Voit (R) 1B
4. Giancarlo Stanton (R) DH
5. Gary Sanchez (R) C
6. Didi Gregorius (L) SS
7. Miguel Andujar (R) 3B
8. Gleyber Torres (R) 2B
9. Brett Gardner (L) CF

Red Sox
David Price (L)

1. Mookie Betts (R) RF
2. Andrew Benintendi (L) LF
3. J.D. Martinez (R) DH
4. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS
5. Mitch Moreland (L) 1B
6. Eduardo Nunez (R) 3B
7. Ian Kinsler (R) 2B
8. Sandy Leon (S) C
9. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF

Gametime Temp: 61°F - Chance of Precip: 0%
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 05:33:28 PM
Yanks have Hicks out and Voit moving up to the 3 spot.  Sox have Moreland in batting 5th and Nunez against the righty.  Clearly not a lot of faith in Devers for much more than pinch hitting. 
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 06:53:43 PM
Tito's Indians lose again. On the brink now. Let's hope we put the Yanks in the same position tonight.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 07:22:01 PM
Judge owns Price. At Fenway as well as at Yankee Stadium.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 07:24:57 PM
Price and that GD cutter.  I hate that pitch.  If you are going to throw the damn thing then you better make sure it is out of the strike zone.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on October 06, 2018, 07:25:14 PM
Can't miss your spot against Judge. Wanted it on the outside corner and it ended up almost down the middle. 1-0 Yanks.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 07:39:59 PM
Our highly paid "ace" is at it again.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 07:42:53 PM
Another GD cutter another home run.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 07:48:22 PM
The one he threw to Sanchez was pretty good, it was down and outside and somehow Sanchez pulled it.  Price just needs to hold it here.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 07:48:59 PM
Not getting many calls either.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 07:50:10 PM
Simply can’t walk the 9 batter. 

But don’t worry, Kelly is loosening up.   ???
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 07:52:19 PM
Price is a total fraud. 
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 07:54:21 PM
Price chokes on another big game.  He doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to pitch effectively when it counts.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 08:03:45 PM
Sox batters are easy to K. Just throw it anywhere outside the strike zone. They'll swing.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 08:27:45 PM
What is wrong with the Sox batters? They are all pull happy.  They are rolling over on everything hitting weak ground outs right into the shift.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 08:30:44 PM
The worst part is other than a gift strike per at bat, Tanaka can’t throw strikes.  Doesn’t someone watch for this sort of thing?  Also through 5 yesterday Sox up 5-0. Since outscored 7-0.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 08:32:11 PM
Tanaka gets that call.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 08:53:26 PM
I know the Yankees are winning but TBS announcers are only talking about the Yankees.  One would think it is the Yankees home broadcast.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 08:53:43 PM
Good thing we have Nunez in to lessen the chance of a throwing error from 3B.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 09:03:32 PM
3 good scoreless relief innings.  Now need to score. Pinch hit for Leon here.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:06:09 PM
Drives me insane that Leon will look at a pitch down broadway and do nothing and then swing at a pitch in the dirt.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:06:09 PM
Drives me insane that Leon will look at a pitch down broadway and do nothing and then swing at a pitch in the dirt.
Lost at bat. 

But why is Workman warming up and not E-Rod?
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:11:11 PM
Quote from: longgame on October 06, 2018, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:06:09 PM
Drives me insane that Leon will look at a pitch down broadway and do nothing and then swing at a pitch in the dirt.
Lost at bat. 

But why is Workman warming up and not E-Rod?


Because the game is not out of hand yet. We need Workman to give up a few runs so it will be.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:13:02 PM
If this goes back to NY tied, I can't see the Sox moving on. The remaining available arms in the rotation will get pummeled in Yankee Stadium.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 09:15:32 PM
DD  failure to buildup the bullpen will be this team's downfall.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:17:33 PM
What!!?!?! Did Workman just K somebody??? Gotta go play the lottery!!
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:17:58 PM
There's E-Rod warming up now.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 09:22:06 PM
Workman, 3 batters 1 out 2 singles.  Well it could have been worse.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:28:49 PM
Attaboy, E-Rod. Nice cleanup of Workman's mess.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 09:29:08 PM
Way to go E-Rod!  Time for a big inning for the offense.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:34:06 PM
Not so much, it seems. Never seen a team so averse to hitting HRs in their own park.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:36:19 PM
All three infield hits right at position players. No sense in making them move, I guess.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:45:39 PM
WTF? Nunez with another screwup? While Holt is sitting on the bench? 
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 09:47:22 PM
Nunez gets a break in that call at 2nd.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:48:15 PM
Big time. Can't believe they overturned that.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:49:27 PM
Game, set, match. Kiss the season good-bye.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 09:49:48 PM
Ball game.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:53:01 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 09:49:48 PM
Ball game.

Season. They won't win anything in NY. They can't even score in their own park. ALCS will be HOU-NYY. Guess I'll be a 'Stros fan again this year. DD really needs to work on pitching next year. Dump Price for whatever you can get for him and start over with Sale as the anchor.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 09:53:32 PM
Cora needs to call them out on their toughness.  They’re getting embarrassed. 
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Schloicka on October 06, 2018, 09:55:53 PM
Can't let Yanks hit hr's. That's how they win. 3 hr's accounting for 5 runs. Not a good combo.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 10:01:37 PM
3B needs attention next year. Nunez and Raffy need to be screwing up somewhere else.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 10:02:49 PM
Useless. This team is useless with runners on 3rd.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 10:13:36 PM
Another throwing miscue that Pearce saved.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on October 06, 2018, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:13:02 PM
If this goes back to NY tied, I can't see the Sox moving on. The remaining available arms in the rotation will get pummeled in Yankee Stadium.

This series is over.  Houston is winning the WS anyway.  We simply don't have a rotation to compete in 5 or 7 game sample sizes.  David "The Pathetic" Price is a bona fide disaster, as is E- Rod.   We have an "OK" Porcello, Sale, and Eovaldi.  Not enough to win in the playoffs.

It will be cool to see the Astros repeat.  Repeat winners haven't happened in a while.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on October 06, 2018, 10:21:01 PM
Progress.  At least we won't get swept this year.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on October 06, 2018, 10:31:45 PM
Alright Hembree!  Walks 2 straight!  8)
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 10:33:21 PM
Nothing like post-season pressure to show you how inadequate your bullpen is. Although truth be told, it's hard to beat the Yankees when you only score 2 runs.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 10:35:34 PM
Quote from: ipot on October 06, 2018, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:13:02 PM
If this goes back to NY tied, I can't see the Sox moving on. The remaining available arms in the rotation will get pummeled in Yankee Stadium.

This series is over.  Houston is winning the WS anyway.  We simply don't have a rotation to compete in 5 or 7 game sample sizes.  David "The Pathetic" Price is a bona fide disaster, as is E- Rod.   We have an "OK" Porcello, Sale, and Eovaldi.  Not enough to win in the playoffs.

It will be cool to see the Astros repeat.  Repeat winners haven't happened in a while.


I certainly agree with you about both Price and E-Rod.  I still haven't forgiven Price for the the Eckersley fiasco.  Price is for me not likeable.  As for E-Rod he is another Pomerantz only dumber.  I 've always considered E-Rod one of the dumbest pitchers I've seen.  He may be a smart guy but he pitches stupidly
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 10:35:56 PM
A very disappointing performance.  It seems like they came out with intensity yesterday and once Sale came out they just crumbled. 
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 06, 2018, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 10:35:34 PM
Quote from: ipot on October 06, 2018, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:13:02 PM
If this goes back to NY tied, I can't see the Sox moving on. The remaining available arms in the rotation will get pummeled in Yankee Stadium.

This series is over.  Houston is winning the WS anyway.  We simply don't have a rotation to compete in 5 or 7 game sample sizes.  David "The Pathetic" Price is a bona fide disaster, as is E- Rod.   We have an "OK" Porcello, Sale, and Eovaldi.  Not enough to win in the playoffs.

It will be cool to see the Astros repeat.  Repeat winners haven't happened in a while.


I certainly agree with you about both Price and E-Rod.  I still haven't forgiven Price for the the Eckersley fiasco.  Price is for me not likeable.  As for E-Rod he is another Pomerantz only dumber.  I 've always considered E-Rod one of the dumbest pitchers I've seen.  He may be a smart guy but he pitches stupidly

They can start by getting a pitching coach who was a pitcher.  Very unusual to have one who didn’t pitch and it is showing now in that these guys can’t put together pitches and execute. 

So we can start the list - at least 3 new starters, an entire new bullpen, a major league level catcher and someone who doesn’t bring a frying pan to 3B.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on October 06, 2018, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: longgame on October 06, 2018, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 10:35:34 PM
Quote from: ipot on October 06, 2018, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:13:02 PM
If this goes back to NY tied, I can't see the Sox moving on. The remaining available arms in the rotation will get pummeled in Yankee Stadium.

This series is over.  Houston is winning the WS anyway.  We simply don't have a rotation to compete in 5 or 7 game sample sizes.  David "The Pathetic" Price is a bona fide disaster, as is E- Rod.   We have an "OK" Porcello, Sale, and Eovaldi.  Not enough to win in the playoffs.

It will be cool to see the Astros repeat.  Repeat winners haven't happened in a while.


I certainly agree with you about both Price and E-Rod.  I still haven't forgiven Price for the the Eckersley fiasco.  Price is for me not likeable.  As for E-Rod he is another Pomerantz only dumber.  I 've always considered E-Rod one of the dumbest pitchers I've seen.  He may be a smart guy but he pitches stupidly

They can start by getting a pitching coach who was a pitcher.  Very unusual to have one who didn’t pitch and it is showing now in that these guys can’t put together pitches and execute. 

So we can start the list - at least 3 new starters, an entire new bullpen, a major league level catcher and someone who doesn’t bring a frying pan to 3B.

I couldn't agree more.  It's a hefty list of needs.  And, in spit of 108 Ws, we can look to a so-so September as the month these problems started to wash ashore...
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 10:44:56 PM
And why the hell is Holt sitting on the bench? I mean Cora PH's Raffy for Leon? That's one useless bat for another. Why not PH Holt and then leave him in the game? What on earth is Cora thinking PH'ing Raffy for anyone? 

Sitting Holt in this game is like Belichick sitting Malcolm Butler in last year's Super Bowl. Just dumb.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 10:46:12 PM
Nunez looks at strike 3. Nice. Not like we needed a run or anything.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 06, 2018, 10:47:55 PM
Perfect way to end the game. With the Red Sox classic GIDP. Go ahead and start wrapping up Fenway for the winter because they're done playing baseball there.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on October 06, 2018, 10:50:02 PM
Quote from: markj on October 06, 2018, 10:44:56 PM
And why the hell is Holt sitting on the bench? I mean Cora PH's Raffy for Leon? That's one useless bat for another. Why not PH Holt and then leave him in the game? What on earth is Cora thinking PH'ing Raffy for anyone? 

Sitting Holt in this game is like Belichick sitting Malcolm Butler in last year's Super Bowl. Just dumb.

Cora was clueless tonight.  I think he gambled a lot on Price The Disaster actually pitching a good game.  After that went out the window, he had no real plan.  E-Rod The Choke did no him no favors.  Our bats have score 2 runs in 13 inns.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on October 06, 2018, 10:50:43 PM
Kinsler ends the season at Fenway with a GIDP. 
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: SeaBeachFred on October 07, 2018, 12:48:36 AM
Quote from: longgame on October 06, 2018, 09:53:32 PM
Cora needs to call them out on their toughness.  They’re getting embarrassed.

Thank you Ted.  I finally heard someone question the team's toughness.  I have said often that our team lacks toughness, leadership and stick tuitiveness.  Yes, we have come from behind often this past season but we get into a funk and simply wallow away.  I didn't see the game tonight as I was a guest at the 40th reunion of one of the high school classes I taught.  They treated me a helluva lot better than the Red Sox did tonight and I wonder if he have what it takes to come back on Monday and hand the Yankees a taste of their own medicine in their home park.  What makes me think they cannot do it?
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: SeaBeachFred on October 07, 2018, 12:57:01 AM
Quote from: longgame on October 06, 2018, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: elktonnick on October 06, 2018, 10:35:34 PM
Quote from: ipot on October 06, 2018, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: markj on October 06, 2018, 09:13:02 PM
If this goes back to NY tied, I can't see the Sox moving on. The remaining available arms in the rotation will get pummeled in Yankee Stadium.

This series is over.  Houston is winning the WS anyway.  We simply don't have a rotation to compete in 5 or 7 game sample sizes.  David "The Pathetic" Price is a bona fide disaster, as is E- Rod.   We have an "OK" Porcello, Sale, and Eovaldi.  Not enough to win in the playoffs.

It will be cool to see the Astros repeat.  Repeat winners haven't happened in a while.


I certainly agree with you about both Price and E-Rod.  I still haven't forgiven Price for the the Eckersley fiasco.  Price is for me not likeable.  As for E-Rod he is another Pomerantz only dumber.  I 've always considered E-Rod one of the dumbest pitchers I've seen.  He may be a smart guy but he pitches stupidly

They can start by getting a pitching coach who was a pitcher.  Very unusual to have one who didn’t pitch and it is showing now in that these guys can’t put together pitches and execute. 

So we can start the list - at least 3 new starters, an entire new bullpen, a major league level catcher and someone who doesn’t bring a frying pan to 3B.

The question is how much is Prune Face willing to spend and whether he first will resign Sale to a new contract so that he can anchor our rotation.  That is  must.  A new pitching coach who knows pitching instead of some crony of the prune or Cora.  As good as Leon is in blocking pitches he is a total waste on offense and that goes for Vazquez too. They both suck.  You heard it here first....the Giants are rebuilding and I think they will make Buster Posey available in a trade.  The guy can play first as well as catcher, he can still hit and should hit more HR's playing 81 games at Fenway and, most of all, he is a real leader who knows how to win.  We must get three new relievers, and, yes, we have to hope that Price eeks out of that contract so we can use the money to  retool and get some players who are tough and pitchers who can pitch.  I also believe that Devers is tradeable and we need to get him out of town before he backtracks any more and winds up becoming untradeable as Bradley had become.....and most likely with his 230 batting average still is.  Nunez out.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: SeaBeachFred on October 07, 2018, 12:59:09 AM
Quote from: markj on October 06, 2018, 10:44:56 PM
And why the hell is Holt sitting on the bench? I mean Cora PH's Raffy for Leon? That's one useless bat for another. Why not PH Holt and then leave him in the game? What on earth is Cora thinking PH'ing Raffy for anyone? 

Sitting Holt in this game is like Belichick sitting Malcolm Butler in last year's Super Bowl. Just dumb.

Siting one of our hottest hitters in September even against a righty tonight was a head scratcher and for that Cora ought to be his head handed to him, but we didn't hit, we didn't pitch and we didn't fight hard if what I've read is true.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Bill-806 on October 07, 2018, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on October 07, 2018, 12:59:09 AM
Quote from: markj on October 06, 2018, 10:44:56 PM
And why the hell is Holt sitting on the bench? I mean Cora PH's Raffy for Leon? That's one useless bat for another. Why not PH Holt and then leave him in the game? What on earth is Cora thinking PH'ing Raffy for anyone? 

Sitting Holt in this game is like Belichick sitting Malcolm Butler in last year's Super Bowl. Just dumb.

Siting one of our hottest hitters in September even against a righty tonight was a head scratcher and for that Cora ought to be his head handed to him, but we didn't hit, we didn't pitch and we didn't fight hard if what I've read is true.
B I N G O ………. Holt on the bench ??? A head scratcher  for sure...…  & PRICE is so predictable with every pitch "hard & on/around the plate, figure it out DAVID, check swings are H R's too !! iono iono iono iono
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 07, 2018, 11:18:01 AM
I keep thinking about last night's game and get more and more upset.  A lot have rightly questioned why Holt wasn't in that game.  I think he should have started at 3B.  Swihart would have been a better pinch hitter than Devers who traded bats with JBJ in midseason or something.  But Betts can't choke on every at bat either.  And the pitching actually has to get some outs, which they did for a couple of innings.  They've gone 14 innings getting outscored 11-2.  They can't hit the starters or relievers.  They chase bad pitches constantly - like last night against Tanaka where it seemed the could swing at anything off the plate, especially low, but would watch easy pitches sail right down the middle. 

The worst part is that last night's game is exactly what we expected out of the Sox in the playoffs and they delivered - dead at the plate, in the field and on the mound.

Cora needs to do something to light these guys up.  I think making the playoffs and losing in the first round three years in a row should be a sign that this team needs work.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: ipot on October 07, 2018, 11:59:35 AM
To echo longgame above: all these problems started to come to fruition in September.  Many of us saw that:

1. Our lineup was not getting it done against top shelf opposing starters (a shocker that we got to Happ for me)
2. With Sale out our SP was tenuous at best.
3. The pen was a mess.
4. Take the O's and the Jay's out of the W/L math and look at the team we had.

Meanwhile, Morton (an FA next year, hello?) went 7 inns of 1 run ball and struck out 12 Cleveland batters yesterday on way to victory.  Verlander was pretty darn good in his own right the day before.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: SeaBeachFred on October 07, 2018, 03:56:56 PM
Quote from: ipot on October 07, 2018, 11:59:35 AM
To echo longgame above: all these problems started to come to fruition in September.  Many of us saw that:

1. Our lineup was not getting it done against top shelf opposing starters (a shocker that we got to Happ for me)
2. With Sale out our SP was tenuous at best.
3. The pen was a mess.
4. Take the O's and the Jay's out of the W/L math and look at the team we had.

Meanwhile, Morton (an FA next year, hello?) went 7 inns of 1 run ball and struck out 12 Cleveland batters yesterday on way to victory.  Verlander was pretty darn good in his own right the day before.

Cora stands totally convicted for insisting that Leon and Nunez stay in the lineup.  The former cannot hit worth a damn anymore and, yes, he probably saved Game 1 for us but with Mookie and Benny deciding to take a night off at the plate as others have done from time to time, we cannot afford to keep two hitters in the lineup and give the opposition seven or eight free outs.  When we face a RH as we did last night and will tomorrow night, HOLT HAS GOT TO BE IN THE LINEUP AND SO SHOULD SWIHART.  For that to not have happened Alex should get a cigarette and a blindfold.  OTOH, he cannot help was Dumbo has given him for a bullpen crew.  They might as well call  them the ARSON Squad as inept as they are, and, damn it, couldn't just one of them come to the fore and start pitching like a pitcher instead of a BP retread?   Plenty of blame to go around but Cora may finally have to read a riot act to some of the mentally lazy guys on the team and let them know that another one and done playoff appearance isn't acceptable---AND THAT SHOULD BE BLARED LOUD AND CLEAR TO JOHN HENRY who may be thinking of holding onto his wallet again this coming winter.  Sorry Prune Face, three WS appearances this century isn't enough no matter what that butt friend of yours, Lucchino says (yes, I know he is still lurking around).
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 07, 2018, 04:29:31 PM
What I saw was this.  They walked into Fenway ready to go.  They had three concerns - what would Sale bring, would the offense once again disappear in the postseason and will the bullpen be able to correct itself.  They came out and saw Sale looking like his normal self.  They scored early.  Everything was great.  But the entire series to date changed the moment Sale came out.  Maybe Sale would have given up 2 or 3 runs, but if he continued and gave 7 innings and 3 runs, nobody would have complained.  I think Cora panicked, pulled him and unwittingly set in motion the demoralization of the team.  The bullpen came in and said it doesn't matter how well you pitch or hit, we'll blow it.  The hopefully not mortal blow was when Price once again was an abject failure. 

I can complain about how Cora has handled the lineup - it's easy since Cora seems to be the only person that knows where New England is that didn't think to play Holt over Nunez, stick with Leon as little as possible and don't put Devers in.  Ever.  BTW, I've had enough with Leon being great for blocking the crappy pitches he calls.  If his guys are demonstrating they can't throw the ball more than about 57 feet, maybe you don't keep calling for that pitch. 
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: elktonnick on October 07, 2018, 05:09:34 PM
Quote from: longgame on October 07, 2018, 04:29:31 PM
What I saw was this.  They walked into Fenway ready to go.  They had three concerns - what would Sale bring, would the offense once again disappear in the postseason and will the bullpen be able to correct itself.  They came out and saw Sale looking like his normal self.  They scored early.  Everything was great.  But the entire series to date changed the moment Sale came out.  Maybe Sale would have given up 2 or 3 runs, but if he continued and gave 7 innings and 3 runs, nobody would have complained.  I think Cora panicked, pulled him and unwittingly set in motion the demoralization of the team.  The bullpen came in and said it doesn't matter how well you pitch or hit, we'll blow it.  The hopefully not mortal blow was when Price once again was an abject failure. 

I can complain about how Cora has handled the lineup - it's easy since Cora seems to be the only person that knows where New England is that didn't think to play Holt over Nunez, stick with Leon as little as possible and don't put Devers in.  Ever.  BTW, I've had enough with Leon being great for blocking the crappy pitches he calls.  If his guys are demonstrating they can't throw the ball more than about 57 feet, maybe you don't keep calling for that pitch.

Well said!
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: SeaBeachFred on October 07, 2018, 09:19:03 PM
Quote from: longgame on October 07, 2018, 04:29:31 PM
What I saw was this.  They walked into Fenway ready to go.  They had three concerns - what would Sale bring, would the offense once again disappear in the postseason and will the bullpen be able to correct itself.  They came out and saw Sale looking like his normal self.  They scored early.  Everything was great.  But the entire series to date changed the moment Sale came out.  Maybe Sale would have given up 2 or 3 runs, but if he continued and gave 7 innings and 3 runs, nobody would have complained.  I think Cora panicked, pulled him and unwittingly set in motion the demoralization of the team.  The bullpen came in and said it doesn't matter how well you pitch or hit, we'll blow it.  The hopefully not mortal blow was when Price once again was an abject failure. 

I can complain about how Cora has handled the lineup - it's easy since Cora seems to be the only person that knows where New England is that didn't think to play Holt over Nunez, stick with Leon as little as possible and don't put Devers in.  Ever.  BTW, I've had enough with Leon being great for blocking the crappy pitches he calls.  If his guys are demonstrating they can't throw the ball more than about 57 feet, maybe you don't keep calling for that pitch.

You know Ted, you could be very on the mark with that assertion about when Sale left how the team seemed to detach themselves from the business at hand.  Well it that is true, then yes, my depiction of our team as fragile and not made of the stern stuff needed to be a real champion just grew a couple of very sturdy legs.  A new take on Leon as well.  He did make some nice stops but, then again,  those choice of pitches were way off the mark too unless we give him a free bee because those pitcher's other pitches were meat for the taking.  Again, there is a lot of blame to go around but we can't do anything about that now.  What's needed is to come to the ballpark tomorrow not intimidated, not fragile, not with a lack of confidence but with a determination to do to the Yanks what they did to us on Saturday.  If we're made of anything more than clay and sand paper, we should return the favor.   They beat us on our field, then we beat them on theirs.  Do we have the guts and fire in our bellies to do that?  That's where I'm having some doubts.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 07, 2018, 10:02:13 PM
Shaughnessy (not my favorite writer) is singing the same tune. Sox need to toughen up.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/10/07/red-sox-need-tougher-beat-yankees/F74c7RKcpWOKYHyXB24WsO/story.html
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: BoSoxFanNY on October 07, 2018, 10:20:49 PM
Quote from: markj on October 07, 2018, 10:02:13 PM
Shaughnessy (not my favorite writer) is singing the same tune. Sox need to toughen up.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/10/07/red-sox-need-tougher-beat-yankees/F74c7RKcpWOKYHyXB24WsO/story.html

YUP!
START playing like the team that won 108 games.
AND NEVER pitch Price against the Yankees this postseason.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: markj on October 07, 2018, 10:34:29 PM
Um...what?

https://www.mlb.com/news/david-price-to-be-used-as-alds-reliever/c-297320346
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Bear on October 08, 2018, 07:01:25 AM
Where's Brock Holt?  He's been hot lately. thumb_d
So now we go to New York...not my favorit place...
especially atm.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 08, 2018, 07:53:56 AM
Quote from: markj on October 07, 2018, 10:02:13 PM
Shaughnessy (not my favorite writer) is singing the same tune. Sox need to toughen up.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/10/07/red-sox-need-tougher-beat-yankees/F74c7RKcpWOKYHyXB24WsO/story.html

He is right on although I'm not as high on Devers as he is.  Just so plain to all who are watching.  They have every chance to go in there tonight and take it to the Yankees and then troll them by dancing on their field tomorrow night.  I'm hoping these guys look determined, not scared, tonight. 
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: longgame on October 08, 2018, 07:54:58 AM
Quote from: markj on October 07, 2018, 10:34:29 PM
Um...what?

https://www.mlb.com/news/david-price-to-be-used-as-alds-reliever/c-297320346

I can see sending him to the bullpen, just don't put him in any postseason games ever.  After 10 losing starts with 4 teams, you don't need to be a statistician to see the trend.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: SeaBeachFred on October 08, 2018, 02:51:26 PM
As for the once hot Brock Holt who tore up the league in September I hope he hasn't gotten cold and stale rotting on the bench the past two games.  No damn excuse from Alex Cora is acceptable for that.  He knew the guy was hot, he knew Nunez has been only a shell of what he was last season with the bat.  Holt should be at third and keep Kinsler on second.  At least the Ian has  gotten a hit in each of the last two games even though his strikeouts are becoming a pain the ass as he keeps swinging for the downs and that is not the type of hitter he is supposed to be.  Of course having the hit ting challenged Christian Vazquez catching tonight doesn't give us any more offense than  they got from Leon but for some reason Cora does not have confidence in Blake Swihart---that is, until he is traded this winter and becomes an All Star while Alex and Dumbo make all kinds of excuses as to why they were so blind and stupid regarding the potential help Blake could have added to the Red Sox.

At any rate, tonight Betts and Benintendi must not take another night off nd start ripping again, and it would be good to see the bottom of the lineup start makin a contribution or two as well, but the key is Nathan Evovaldi.  He has pitched well against the Yankees since we got him and we need just the opposite from him than what we got from Price on Saturday.  There, I've said my piece.
Title: Re: ALDS GAME #2, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2018, NY YANKEES AT BOSTON RED SOX
Post by: Bill-806 on October 08, 2018, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: SeaBeachFred on October 08, 2018, 02:51:26 PM
As for the once hot Brock Holt who tore up the league in September I hope he hasn't gotten cold and stale rotting on the bench the past two games.  No damn excuse from Alex Cora is acceptable for that.  He knew the guy was hot, he knew Nunez has been only a shell of what he was last season with the bat.  Holt should be at third and keep Kinsler on second.  At least the Ian has  gotten a hit in each of the last two games even though his strikeouts are becoming a pain the ass as he keeps swinging for the downs and that is not the type of hitter he is supposed to be.  Of course having the hit ting challenged Christian Vazquez catching tonight doesn't give us any more offense than  they got from Leon but for some reason Cora does not have confidence in Blake Swihart---that is, until he is traded this winter and becomes an All Star while Alex and Dumbo make all kinds of excuses as to why they were so blind and stupid regarding the potential help Blake could have added to the Red Sox.

At any rate, tonight Betts and Benintendi must not take another night off nd start ripping again, and it would be good to see the bottom of the lineup start makin a contribution or two as well, but the key is Nathan Evovaldi.  He has pitched well against the Yankees since we got him and we need just the opposite from him than what we got from Price on Saturday.  There, I've said my piece.
Game 3 lineup has HOLT @ 2nd, DEVERS @ 3rd, & PEARCE @ 1st...…..  Should be more offense at the expense of the LEATHER !!! iono iono iono iono iono