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Pitchers arrive at Jet Blue
« on: February 11, 2020, 05:14:50 AM »
As pitchers report to Jet Blue this week, there seems to be a new group of bullpen guys who will be tested, and Darwinzon Hernandez getting another shot.

  This is a dreadful article up front by Jason Mastrodonato, but toward the end says some things about Bloom and hiw he might address the pitching.

" Bloom can do the Rays thing and fidget with some openers.

"Can Darwinzon Hernandez be a starter? The Sox have always wondered. Maybe he’s good twice through the lineup and then fades. So what? It’s 2020. A starter who only goes four innings is acceptable so long as the team is built for it with multi-inning relievers and a deep bullpen.

"And what is the one position the Red Sox stacked up on this winter? Relievers. Since he was hired in October, Bloom has been cutting the fat off the back-end of the Sox’ bullpen and replacing departed names with new ones: Josh Osich, Chris Mazza, Austin Brice, Matt Hall and Jeffrey Springs, among others. Some have thus far been failures at the big league level but, for one reason or another, Bloom sees something in them.

"As for the homegrown pitchers who have yet to make an impact, new pitching coach Dave Bush knows them well. He’s been working with Sox minor leaguers since he was hired in 2016."

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/02/10/red-sox-cant-compete-should-turn-attention-to-the-future/
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Re: Pitchers arrive at Jet Blue
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2020, 09:22:16 AM »
So rotation is Sale, E-Rod, Eovaldi and Perez, who isn't very good at all.  Then what, pray for rain?  Or use our terrible bullpen?  Maybe when whoever is in charge does a headcount he'll realize they're coming up short.

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Re: Pitchers arrive at Jet Blue
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2020, 10:02:26 AM »
So rotation is Sale, E-Rod, Eovaldi and Perez, who isn't very good at all.  Then what, pray for rain?  Or use our terrible bullpen?  Maybe when whoever is in charge does a headcount he'll realize they're coming up short.

I read that one of the back end options is "Neck Ink,"  LOL

Today Bloom signed OF Cesar Puello to a minor league deal. The 28-year-old carries a .239/.346/.346 slash line in his 186 MLB plate appearances. Once considered a prospect of some note, Puello has largely plied his trade in the upper minors of late. In 1,580 plate appearances at the Triple-A level, he owns a solid .292/.391/.446 batting line.  Cut loose by LAA and Marlins.  [Seems like a tepid move after dealing Mookie last week and Brock Holt still available]
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Re: Pitchers arrive at Jet Blue
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2020, 11:05:12 AM »
With the DAWN of a new season @ JET BLUE, I am a firm believer that CHANGE is good and moving the BIG $$$$$$ faces off & out will be a good thing. Ya got to keep the boys HUNGRY as you can never tell from year to year what the $UPER STARS will do …..  As DAD would say, "SON, TO QUOTE JIMMY DOLITTLE, VICTORY GOES TO THOSE WHO WANT IT THE MOST, WANT IT THE LONGEST"  !!!!

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Re: Pitchers arrive at Jet Blue
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2020, 02:59:54 PM »
Osich, Mazza, Brice and Hall don't exactly get me reved up for the season.  They  are pitchers with llittle success in heir careers and a lot of failures.  To be honest, Bloom has been constrained by budget concerns eminating from multi-billionaiure John Henry's office so he has to get what he can.  As for Hernandez, the first thing he needs to do is shorten his first name from Darwinzon, to Win, Darwin or Zon.  It help his pitching confidence with a new handle because Darwinzon sounds like a load to me, and he sure as hell didn't distinguish himself last season in either role of starter or reliever----and from what I heard he was rated as our best starting pitching prospect in the minors last Spring. Oi Oi.

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Re: Pitchers arrive at Jet Blue
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2020, 02:46:38 PM »
1st thing DH needs to do is get some damn command.  Almost a iwalk an inning will not cut it.
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Re: Pitchers arrive at Jet Blue
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2020, 02:53:11 PM »
So Sale showed up with a case of pneumonia.  "mild case"
 I guess that's like saying she's "half pregnant".   iono

Globe writer says Roenicke is working Sox starting pitchers harder than last spring, but Sale has been sick for two weeks and will not be on schedule.
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Re: Pitchers arrive at Jet Blue
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2020, 08:32:50 AM »
I heard Sale is expected shortly.  Roenicke said he wants starters to get at least 6 turns in. 

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Re: Pitchers arrive at Jet Blue
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2020, 10:36:19 AM »
Bloom and RR have to be thinking about the 5th starter void, and a fill-in in case one of the starters is needing IL time.

 An aggressive move would be a trade for a Matz at NYM.  A more subtle move would be resigning Cashner or similar talent guy as an innings eater or an Opener/Follower type guy.

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Roenicke to change preparation plan for starting pitchers
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2020, 02:24:37 PM »

Roenicke to change preparation plan for starting pitchers

By Jason Mastrodonato Boston Herald 2 hrs ago

FORT MYERS, Fla. — Ron Roenicke isn’t going to keep the seat warm for Alex Cora, continue running the Red Sox exactly like Cora did and eventually slide back into the shadows as a career bench coach.

Just listen to his ideas.

On Day 2 of his tenure as Red Sox interim manager, Roenicke gave reporters 25 minutes to pepper him with questions. The 63-year-old has been coaching for almost 30 years and doesn’t lack confidence nor conviction. He shared his philosophies and ideas, some finalized, some still developing.

Some are a continuation of Cora’s, such as the belief that the closer role should be flexible. Brandon Workman is likely to start the year as the closer, but Matt Barnes or Darwinzon Hernandez could get some saves, depending on the matchups.

And some are being changed.

The most noteworthy from Day 2: No more babying the starting pitchers in spring training.

“Well, we did get off to a slow start last year and we talked about it,” the new skipper said. “We’re going to make sure, at least we’re going to try to make sure, that they get their six starts in in spring. … I think it’s important that we try to get them to six starts and make sure they start off better than we started off last year.”

Last year, Eduardo Rodriguez and Hector Velazquez led the team with four starts each in Grapefruit League action. Rick Porcello had three starts. Nathan Eovaldi, Chris Sale and David Price had two each. The slow springs resulted in a slow April and eventually an 84-win season.

Cora defended it all the way through the 2019 season, saying after it ended that “our plan was the right one.”

At JetBlue Park on Wednesday, Roenicke wasn’t so sure.

“It’s hard to say whether we were wrong last year or not,” he said. “We did basically the same thing the year before in ‘18 and it turned out great.”

But it didn’t take long for the Red Sox to realize it wasn’t working in 2019, Roenicke said.


“We talked about it at the beginning of the season, when we didn’t get off to a good start, we talked about it,” he said. “I don’t think we came up with any conclusions then, but we wanted to see what happened during the season and get everybody together and see if it makes sense to try to get back to that sixth start.”

Sale got a head start this week. He’s been sick with the flu, which turned into pneumonia, yet Sale still threw 60 pitches on Tuesday and was tentatively scheduled to throw 60 more on Wednesday.

Imagine the intensity to pitch through pneumonia. It’s quite the contrary to last spring, when Sale didn’t make his first start until March 16. He made his second and final spring start on March 23. His next outing was Opening Day in Seattle, when he gave up seven runs on three homers in a blowout loss.

This year, Sale leads a staff that includes the injury-prone Eovaldi, Rodriguez and bounce-back candidate Martin Perez. There is no fifth starter.

Rookie lefty Darwinzon Hernandez should have the stuff and body type to make it through a season as a starter, but Roenicke wants Hernandez to start the season in the bullpen.

It seems odd. Teams often use spring training to stretch out depth starters. Then the ones who won’t be needed in the rotation can move to the bullpen in a long relief role.

But Roenicke explained his thinking. It was genuine and personal. And it was tough to argue.

“I think it’s getting him used to the big leagues, getting him confident that he can pitch here,” the manager said. “Confidence is so huge in what we do. I know we talk about it but it really determines what a guy is going to do, not just now, but in the future.

“I can draw on my own career. When I was in Triple-A and I was hitting well and I got called up to the big leagues, I always did well. When I was in Triple-A and not playing very well and they called me up, I usually didn’t play very well. When I started a season with a team and got off to a bad start, I was a mess.

“I think it’s important for a confidence thing, especially for a young guy who has electric stuff like he has, I think it’s important to know for sure that, ‘Hey, I belong here, I’m going to do anything you want. If you want me to close, I’ll close.’ And if you have that mindset, once you have that confidence you can move a guy in different areas.”

Maybe next year Hernandez will start, Roenicke said. Or maybe the year after.

Roenicke isn’t afraid to make the decisions he sees fit, whether or not they differ from the previous regime.


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Re: Pitchers arrive at Jet Blue
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2020, 05:32:59 PM »
Bloom and RR have to be thinking about the 5th starter void, and a fill-in in case one of the starters is needing IL time.

 An aggressive move would be a trade for a Matz at NYM.  A more subtle move would be resigning Cashner or similar talent guy as an innings eater or an Opener/Follower type guy.

If we trade for a pitcher let it me a RH.  We're already over-loaded with southpaws and teams like the Yankees, Blue Jays and even the Rays are loaded with RH hitters.  Bloom has to be smart about this and know who our rivals are and how best to handle them.......southpaw after southpaw ain't gonna cut it.  Besides, Perea has a 9.52 ERA against the Yankees last season.  Enoug said on that. On another front it might cost us one of our few good prospects to get a quality pitcher because with Verdugo now out for Go knows how long and may miss the Opener, Pillar moves into a starting spot which means we can't put Bradley on the trading block.  Good God, isn't ther anyone in our farm system developing into a potential good starting pitcher?  Sjhit, it's been over a decade and a half since we had one.  Hey Henry with all your billions---how about getting some scouts who know something about pitching and some coaches in the minors who can develop them----and then your medical staff revised because they have been shitty since you fired Dr. Morgan after the 2004 season where he saved Schilling's season and the Red Sox's year.